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Thanks ND, Ernie and the rest of the 'hood

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  1. speedy_sam

    speedy_sam F1 Veteran

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    I solved a problem (hopefully permanently) this weekend with all your help.

    Background: I normally drive my car twice a week with about 500 miles running per month in total. However, April, May and June were bad months for me from a driving standpoint - I was out of the country for nearly 6 weeks. I left the car on the battery tender but it was lying unused for a long time.

    So when I got back on Friday, I started up the car. To my delight it fired up with no issues. I went on a drive after filling the nearly dry tank with some fresh gas and there were no problems at all during the drive.

    The next day, I went to meet a friend and about 10 minutes into the drive the check engine 5-8 light came on. My heart stopped beating for a couple seconds :).

    I pulled over to the side road and cycled the engine on and off to see if it was a bum light. No luck as the engine light stayed on. So I crept back slowly home using low revs and reached home safely. All the while I had visions of the crankshaft and pistons crashing into themselves.

    There was nothing I could see in the repair manual or owners manual about this issue or perhaps I missed it. So I did the best possible thing and fired up fchat and quickly zeroed on a couple threads that looked useful. Using ND's documentation and Ernie's hints, I read the fault codes from the ECU (1212 - lambda something or the other). Funny thing is I missed the codes initially - I was looking at the ECU for the blinking light not realizing the blinking light was in the instrument panel :D.

    Then I read ND's notes on cleaning up the electrical connectors and used a contact cleaner and some grease to clean and lubricate any electrical connection I could reach into the engine bay from the top. I also noticed that the plastic protective layer on one of the wires had peeled off - I could see the copper wire exposed. I wrapped it in electrical duct tape.

    Having done all this, I reset the fault codes in the ECU and fired up the beast. Hooray - the blessed engine light got extinguished. I then went on a 20 mile drive driving cautiously at first and then using the revs. The light remained switched off.

    Feeling that all is sweet and light in the world, I pulled back into the garage. I finally did something on my car and felt proud about (I know it is small but to a neophyte like me it was a big deal :) )

    Thanks to the brothers for posting a wealth of info here. A note to newcomers - there is tons of data here - search for it instead of asking about it.

    Also a note to myself: the strategy of driving the car hard and often is golden - stick to it. :)
     
  2. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    One thing that might be worth mentioning here. The "Check Engine" warning lights are not giving notice of impending disaster. They do not indicate engine overheating, or loss of oil pressure, or failure of the timing belt, or anything remotely like that. To quote the book, "The ECU detects, stores, and signals any irregularities that may affect the operating system." The book does NOT say that you need to pull over, or have the car towed, or schedule an immediate visit to the dealer, just because the light came on.

    The warning light is telling you that one of the components in the ignition/injection system has given either a "static" or a "sporadic" reading that is outside its normal operating parameters. By downloading the codes, you can determine which component on which bank has triggered the light. In most cases, it seems that the error is transient, in which case you can erase the fault code and start over again. If there is a real problem, the light will come on again. But because the 348 has two separate Motronic ignition/injection systems (one for each bank), a fault on one bank isn't likely to make the car undriveable.

    The warning light shouldn't be totally ignored, but it shouldn't cause a panic, either.
     
  3. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Sameer! Good job on fixing your 348. That's the first step to bringing the next level of passion to your Ferrari ownership...and it helps ease the dreaded "Ferrari anxiety" fear that new owners experience (which is why so few miles are put on so many of these great cars).
     
  4. potxoli

    potxoli Formula 3

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    I could not agree more! ND, Ernie and miltonian's info in the countless of threads they've contributed to have been invalueble. I've fixed my CEL problems because of them and I'm about to change my tranny oil to superlight shock proof redline later this week. I have all the tools I need ready to go.

    These guys rock!
     
  5. potxoli

    potxoli Formula 3

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    #5 potxoli, Jul 12, 2007
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    Thanks again to the brotherhood (ND page, Pap's and Daniel's posts on fchat), I successfully changed my gear oil to super lightweight shock proof tonight! I took the car out for a drive and while the shifting is not as good as an NSX or M3, it still is much better than what I had!! Everything went smoothly since I followed the instructions in this post:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82683

    and this post:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101885

    I ordered the 19mm hex driver from amazon along with the redline fluid. The only gotcha was that I thought the gear oil drain lug needed a 10mm socket, not a hex. Luckily I had a 10mm hex key laying around and I used a tube from my yakima bike rack to provide plenty of torque to unscrew it. Worked great!

    I was surprised by how BAD my gear oil smelled. Seriously I felt like heaving just smelling it.

    It took 2.5 hours to get the whole thing done including the final drive to see if everything was OK.

    I'm now celebrating my mechanical success and have drunk 3/4 of a bottle of wine and am not too coherent :) :)

    Anyhow, No doubt, Daniel, Pap, Ernie, ,... you guys ROCK!!! I'm having more fun with my 348 than I've had in a LONG time. thanks! You are all good men! I'm sure lamour would agree.

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  6. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Pretty cool!
     
  7. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Rock on Sameer!

    I just love it when more and more brothers are manning up and doing there own work. Sure does make you feel good, doesn't it? Plus it really isn't all that hard. You just have to get over the fear of the name. "Ferrari" ooooooooo spooky scary. HAHAHAHAHA!

    Good work boys.

    Long live the Brotherhood.
     
  8. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    :D
     
  9. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Good to hear that the job went well Eric :)
     
  10. gothspeed

    gothspeed F1 World Champ

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    +1
     
  11. speedy_sam

    speedy_sam F1 Veteran

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    Got another victory under my belt today. Replaced the deflating crappy, $*#$@#$*@# rear Stabilus struts with new ones.

    - Got the parts from Rockauto - thanks to Dave Handa for the link. The new part is also a Stabilus product - am curious if this will fail in two year's time
    - Followed the struts replacement procedure detailed by V Vassalo in one of the threads on fchat.

    To illustrate my level of competence (the shallows depths of it) - what took 10 minutes for you guys took me 2 hours to complete. I was struggling with a 1/2" wrench and finally got frustrated enough to buy some metric wrenches.

    It was easier going after that. I kept getting backs spasms thanks to the contortioning required to get at the lower nut. That delayed me a bit too.

    What cost me a lot of time was that some moron - dunno if it was the prev owner or his mechanic - used blue loctite on two of the nuts. It was a pain getting damn nuts off. I used some WD40 to loosen it and then a lot of elbow grease to get the damn thing to come off :mad: Even I know that you shouldn't use loctite on any maintenance part. Dumbass.

    Oh Well - All's well that ends well.

    If it fails again I am going to investigate if I can add a prop rod somehow. Should be a fail-safe solution.

    Thanks brothers for all the wonderful info to enable a neophyte like me to do some things in the car :cool:
     
  12. potxoli

    potxoli Formula 3

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    Interesting... how do you know if you need struts. I just went for my first spirited drive today and the car seemed great. But I'm sure I'll need new struts at some point... Got any pics of what you did?
     
  13. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Strange someone would loctite nuts for a gas strut? :):)
    Glad you got it sorted mate. If I were there, I would have done it for you. :):)
     
  14. speedy_sam

    speedy_sam F1 Veteran

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    You will definitely know it when you need it. Pop the rear trunk or the front hood and raise it. If it can stay up on its own then your struts are fine. If it starts to close on its own, your struts need to be fixed.

    In my case, one of the original struts was OK and the other one was useless. The hood cannot stay up with a single functional strut. At least i have a functional spare. unfortunately there is no way to know which one is the errant strut till you remove it. :)

    Procedure here: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144345&highlight=strut
     
  15. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    If the engine cover or hood comes crashing down on your head everytime you lift it up, then you need new struts. :D:D
     

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