Is Alonso playing dirty to undermine Lewis?

This is the part of FA, that I have always questioned in him and have had a hard time finding respect in his inability to think first and act/speak later.

 

This is part of Alonso's personality, he speaks his mind. I personally, like the fact that he says what he feels but that's for each person to decide. The thing is though, for all he says, he NEVER drives or behaves rashly while in the car. He's generally a very fair racer, unlike some other people that always said what people wanted him to say out of the car but was known to freak out while under pressure in the car.

 

very true, as much as I don't like him he is a fair and good driver, actually I think he doesn't "crack" as easily as Schuey

 

+1

i've always said Fred is a great driver. for him to beat MS at that age, thats really something. but i just can't stand the way he shoots off with his mouth.

 

I dont think Alonso is playing dirty - the twice world champion has been outdriven in the first half of the '07 season by Hamilton.Full stop.

His indifferent perfomances in and out of the car have showed up a character flaw that all the great drivers of the modern era have - Schumacher,Senna etc.Alonso is used to being top of the pile and he doesnt like it when it doesnt go all his way - shame really as it detracts from the character of a great race driver.

Hamilton and his father have been preparing for '07 for the last decade and when Sir Jackie Stewart,John Surtees and Sir Stirling Moss say he's the most exciting driver to "arrive" in F1 in 50+ yrs - they should know.

With the celebrity success culture of the British media, it would be a shame to see him relocate to Monaco/Switzerland but at least he'll get some peace from the hack's!

Maybe Alonso needs to stop whingeing and do his winning inside the car - after all we know he's got the talent!

 

LH is a rookie. He can finish 2nd to 2 time WDC FA the rest of the year and still feel good. As a 2 time WDC, FA cannot feel good finishing 2nd to a rookie.

You can't change that.

 

Michael - he needs to learn to deal with it because there is a good chance it might just happen.Could be a good thing for Alonso to lose to Hamilton or Raikkonen - help strengthen his resolve to win a 3rd world championship.

 

"End of his Lucky run" Behave. And I am sure your enjoying watching him get spanked so negating the fact he is ruining your watching of the sport...

 

Absolutely, loved it, was grinning like a school kid .

And I felt better inside because I thought that maybe his own GP meant so much to him that he became emotional and made mistakes ... excellent for the sport side of the game.

It will also make him a better driver getting beaten, thus a win win situation for F1.
Pete

 

I have never made any attempt to diminish his driving abilities.

<soapbox on> Some of his on-track maneuvers have been, I'll say far from clean. I just have this problem with people who are paid millions each year, to perform a task that they love, spouting off catfight excuses and criticism, like an angry fugitive from a middle school slumber party.

I don't expect every word issuing forth, to be peaches and cream, praising ever persons' contribution to the sport, his position and humankind in general, but his much too often, infantile whining is wholly unbecoming of a champion.

Whether you are coming in first, second or ???, do it with grace and style. This doesn't mean you should be happy with not winning, but do it with class. </soapbox>

 

Why do you guys even listen and/or read what comes out of their mouths?

Who the fnck cares? They are sports people not trained conference speakers. It's just as stupid in Australia where people expect our Rugby League players to be nice guys ... what got them that position in the team is the simple fact that they are friggin ugly tough bastards.

You ask way too much of your drivers.
Pete

 

I think this is very relevant to this thread....its like they are lurking on here!

Apologies if repost.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5C0I7Ef4gQI

 

LOL !!!!

 

LOL !!! That was good !

 

First time I have seen it. I think it is perfect for the two drivers and well done. I do not know if it would sell any cars though

 

they are trained to speak and behave correctly , this is common practice in all high visibility sports, even rugby league where the IQ is measured in horses foot taps on the ground

 

Ok, which on-track maneuvers would those be? I hardly rememeber anything like this from Alonso other than an occasional lunge at the starts in the Renualt days.

A person's personality is just that, if he feels like saying what he wants then he going to do just that. just like you have the right to not read it. He tells it like it is most of the time and doesn't sugarcoat anything. The problem is that many people here believe all the drivel that gets printed in the press which may or may not be the truth. Any little thing he says is turned into a major issue around here. Some time should be taken to read some of his comments, most of them are simply statements, not complaints or "whining".

 

+1

Pete

 

+1

It seems that most people use the simple "write only" approach and never actually read what's been said - Very, very seldom do (legitimate) questions get answered and threads disintegrate into "shouting matches" that add nothing to the debate.

Bring back the old days of limited bandwidth and "netiquette" wherein if you didn't have anything to *add* to the debate, you didn't!

As usual, my 02c,
Ian

 

+3 Excellent Post Luis

 

Pete, I am just interested to know why exactly you absolutely loved seeing Lewis get so called spanked into yet another podium finish.

As I feel your logic is somewhat blurred in respect of the sporting side of the game as I thought the idea was to win.

Getting beaten is a trait I am sure he has already learnt earlier in his career, As of this point of time remind me again of the WDC standings..

Steve

 

Come on, are you trying to say that all of his passing moves were of textbook cleanliness? Short memory... LOL !!

I suppose you have already forgotten about forcing Nick Heidfeld off track, at the French GP. Or... maybe you thought that was a clean pass. LOL !!

I have referred to the whining specifically, not all of his statements or most of them, the whining is what I am talking about, blaming every any other factor, whether possible or not, as the reason for his less than stellar performances.

eg: McLaren doesn't like me, they give better car to Hami.

You can attempt to tell me, that this sort of statement to the press isn't whining, but that only makes me question your powers of discernment.

FA has 2 championships under his belt, I'm just waiting for him to act the part of a champion. He is a very good driver, one of the best at the moment, true greatness could be in his future. I just hate to think of kids admiring and emulating a whiner. That's my opinion.

 

You can describe them anyway you like, but at the end of the day it's still "cleaner" than some of Michael's on track passes (or parking jobs).

 

Also, don't forget the high speed swerve and then the brake check on Albers at Hungary last year. And just today he had to get Massa back for holding him up by cutting the chicane to get passed him and then braking hard.

For someone with as much talent and smarts as Alonso has it really surprises me to see these kinds of things. Hopefully it's just an age thing and he will put this kind of behavior behind him soon and do even greater things than he already has.

 

Most of his indescresions have been during practice. His temper seems to get the better of him during these moments and he should work on that. He didn't brake check Massa however, he seemed to want to take him off the track or something but i guess only he knows what he was doing. That being said, this is during practice, no big deal. Lapping cars, again no big deal. When you really sit down and think about it. He's the cleanest world champion we've had since Mika in 99. Senna, Prost, MS we all far dirtier than Alonso ever was. You know if you're racing Alonso he will be fair. Not so with some others. Bill, if you think he's dirty you need to look at some of the other guys that were champs. Alonso is pretty clean.