Can Mclaren do anything at all to wipe the egg from off there face?

forget about it mate, it's not worth it, just give RD curry

 

Hmmm I don't have the motivation this late at night to go check, but wasn't this "355" fellow one of the guys highlighted in my "bandwagon jumping in the racing section" post?

I have new-found motivation - lemme go check.....

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OK it was actually in my "Kimi Bashers - come on down" thread, where 355 said "Kimi is horrible and a drunk". Most folks got a good laugh out of the Kimi thread, except 355, who said "just give it time, its just a blip on the radar" or something to that effect.

I think the picture of this guy is getting pretty clear. But what do I know, I'm just a poop-stirring anti-Ferrari McLiar (is that the kindergarten term we're using?) lover who only wishes he could afford a 355

 

Isn't that where vegemite came from in the first place?

 

And I still sand by what I said............Kimi is on the wagon right now but it wont take much for him to fall off. We are past the half way point in the season and he stands 4th in the standings. I guess thats good if your not a real tifosi......you think thats good? Or does he need a few more races to get used to the car. Funny how the Ferraris were so reliable for the last 5 years and the McCheater car was unreliable and now that Kimi is with Ferrari they have become less reliable while the McCheater car is as reliable as the Ferrari used to be......Hmmmm I wonder why........

 

Ahh, yes, the sort high end empirical analysis I expect on a little league baseball forum.

 

Because they've illegally had in their possession Ferrari's quality control procedures.

 

Hey, Mercedes is Mercedes. It can do nothing wrong. Even Heir Hitler liked its cars.

Mercedes is Mercedes. Ferrari is just a low life Italian upstart.

 

you're cruel, it's an acquired taste like Guinness ... and thanks for spelling it right

I know you put some thought into your posts but sometimes it comes across as anti-Ferrari and ruffles some feathers (or in my case scales )

I have watched Ferrari scratch around for several decades now trying to get their act together, thought Niki did a good job keeping the engineers focused but Enzo stabbed him in the back and ruined what could have been a long successful Schumacher-esque period but only left with 2 WDC, then Gilles dies, Pironi smashes himself to pieces , a bunch of talented but flawed drivers followed until the Schu focused them

After 21 years of pain and disappointment there are bound to be some testy characters who take umbrage when someone like McLaren receive an advantage from the heart of the Gestione when we are in the midst of a pitched battle for the championship and as we all know small improvements mean a lot in F1 so even the most minute information about your main rival will be of benefit

Where did McL go wrong in all this ?

They feign credibility and shed crocodile tears but really if you wanted to maintain your credibility you would have sacked Coughlan IMMEDIATELY and then informed the FIA of the theft and the incoming emails ... they didn't , no credibility

The big shock for Ferrari was that they are use to the FIA being on their side so they (and the tifosi) feel aggrieved and bewildered and LdM is pandering to that frustration but I doubt he will do much other than bank this decision for future reference

Ferrari 1-2 for the rest of the season is the only way to right the wrong

 

Well 355, I own three Ferraris (pre Fiat-ownership 12 cylinders, except the Dino) and my father owned five (also pre Fiat ownership 12 cylinders, except the TRC he raced with), so I guess by your bizzare "standards" I amply have the credentials to tell you that your childish cheerleading is foolish and tiresome.

Ferrari are not perfect (and never have been), and their drivers certainly aren't. This is a debate site for enthusiasts. Emotions and passions are part of any board; look at your countless posts where all you do is **** on Alonso. Yes, I know, you think he has won two WDCs (and will probably win a third) by pure luck and he drives for cheaters. It is your right to say so.

The day this becomes a cheerleading site open only to Ferrari owners, there will be very few people left to read your rants. And your suggesting that people be banned for contradicting you is just pathetic.

Oh, and for your information, Ferrari ownership is not a prerequisite for participation.

 

This is why I say F1 is screwed, or atleast this season, or maybe just this area of this previously interesting site.

Again whatever the FIA do they are wrong in somebodies eyes.

BTW: 355, if I can ever be lucky enough to buy a real McLaren (not the modern F1 and Mercedes stuff) I will be extremely honoured. A M6 CanAm car would be an awesome purchase.

This may sound like I am pro-McLaren, well I am a Kiwi, but I've always gone for Ferrari first and McLaren second but again first and foremost I am a racing fan and I would rather watch a fantastic wheel banging race and McLaren and Ferrari both came last ... than watch Ferrari OR McLaren win every race without even trying.
Pete

 

your analogy doesnt work as its not the same thing (and tbh nor is any other ive seen)

using the children is a good idea as we need an example where other parties are responsible for the behaviour of the ppl doing the "crime" but the thing with the house keys doesnt work


a better example would be

your son (stepney) takes the keys to one of your ferraris
he drives it round to his mates (coughlin) house
eventually they put the ferrari in the m8s garage.
your son then goes home and no one notices the car is missing (its a big collection)
neither party comes clean and the car stays in the m8s garage until its spotted by a neighbour when the door is open one day.

we dont know if the m8 drove the car and we dont know if it was planned in advance but lots of ppl suspect he did.



who gets into trouble ?
obviously your son is in the **** for taking the car
his m8 is also in trouble too, we dont know if he drive the car at all, but he didnt give it back, or make his friend take it back or tell anyone about it.

who has committed the worse crime ?
hard to say, but i suspect most ppl in reality would say the one who initially took the car.


now what would happen if the authorities were involved.
both set of parents would be in trouble (as the guardians of the children involved)



back in real life the only problem we have is that neither party was a child
however they do both still have a guardian as such, as the FIA rules and regulations state that a team is responsible for its staff.

 

Does that mean your supporting the robot...

+1 Good post

"I am a racing fan and I would rather watch a fantastic wheel banging race and McLaren and Ferrari both came last ... than watch Ferrari OR McLaren win every race without even trying."

Make that two of us then ..

 

just because people dont subscribe to the "ferrari can do no wrong" school of though doesnt mean that they arent fans of the red cars from maranello. I love ferrari but first and foremost im a fan of racing.
I was a fan of racing before i was a fan of ferrari (as indeed most racing fans were - unless maybe theyre Italian)
I watch various forms of motorsport and ferrari dont compete in them all, when they do i support them - though i do allow myself to support other individuals too (LH for example)
Obviously your one of these ppl who feel that theyre ferrari through and through eg "cut me and i bleed ferrari"
tbh i feel sorry for you, this seems to have seriously blinkered your views and moral standpoint - theres supporting a team and then theres blindly standing by and letting that team ignore the rules. (MS at monaco for example)

People in glass houses shoudnt throw stones, 355 you should really take heed of that - if anyone has insulted people im afraid its you. Most everyone else has rationed and sometimes passionate arguements you though seem to run out of ideas and resort to insults, sometimes veiled sometimes quite blatant. Its schooyard behaviour and has no place in adult society.
Please also remember that ferrari ownership is not a prerequisite for membership here, and indeed doesnt mean that your views and ideas (especially on a subject other than your own type of car) have any higher standing than those of someone who doesnt own an Fcar. Yes buying one might well make you fall in love with it, but id hope it wouldnt change your perceptions on reality and whats fair.

It might help if you actually found out about the subject your debating on too - to suggets that mclaren might change engine supplier is frankly ridiculous, i mean do you actually know who owns the mclaren shares ?


What i cant understand is that you seem to think its fair to implement an FIA rule regarding a teams liability for its staffs actions only on one party. How is this fair ? You go on and on and on about who was wronged, but fail to see thats irrelevant.
If a child stole his parents credit card and went on a spending spree the parents would be both wronged but still ultimately responsible for the childs crime.

Im not an advocate of saying anyone should be kicked out of forums, but ppl like yourself with your childish name calling and refusal to see sense and take facts on board make a structured debate very difficult.
Please try to stop and think before you type, itd make everyones life a lot easier - including im sure your own

 

I wouldn't care as much about the m8 driving it as I would if his parents had a shag in it while it was in their garage...

 

Mike,
The Hypocrite thing, was just having a wee bit of fun, albeit at your minor expense...

But I think you viewed the aforementioned post of mine, without seeing it in the context in which it was intended. I then provided the posts to which it was relating back to, but...actually you never responded to my request for what you found so disagreeable in my post.

I don't know what you are referring to in "guns blazing," but I am rarely prone to emotional ranting, what may seem like such, is usually just word play, responding to something with a similarly scaled emphasis It's so easy for someone to be aggressive on the web or the phone, too often they'd have no desire to say such things, while staring you in the face.

Bill