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  1. RufMD

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    #26 RufMD, Aug 6, 2007

    Regardless, its hard to discount the reality of a 7.32 lap time....that is flying.
     
  2. cig1

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    #27 cig1, Aug 6, 2007
    Of course they were ....


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  3. RufMD

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    #28 RufMD, Aug 6, 2007

    It depends on your intent....did you post them for informational purposes, or to stir an argument....heh heh
     
  4. intouch1

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    #29 intouch1, Aug 6, 2007
    for the sake of being objective and not contentious:

    here are the complete Sport Auto Hockenheim and Nordschleife (NBR) times:

    AC Schnitzer Tension ** 1.13,5 min 7.57 min 04/07

    AC Schnitzer BMW CLS II 1.13,4 min 8.16 min 11/97

    AC Schnitzer Topster ** 1.13,7 min 8.16 min 01/05

    Alfa Romeo 156 GTA 1.22,7 min 8,51 min 05/02

    Alpina Roadster S ** 1.14,4 min 8.15 min 07/05

    Alpina B10 3.2 1.21,3 min 8.50 min 04/98

    AMG SLK 230 K 1.21,2 min 9.07 min 05/97

    Aston Martin DB7 GT 1.19,0 min 8.23 min 07/03

    Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 1.21,1 min 8.41 min 09/99

    Aston Martin DB9 1.17,7 min 8.16 min 11/04

    Aston Martin V12 Vanquish 1.16,9 min 8.17 min 01/03

    Aston Martin V8 Vantage ** 1.14,8 min 8.03 min 10/05

    Aston Martin V12 Vanquish 1.16,9 min 8.17 min 01/03

    Audi S3 1.20,9 min 8.41 min 06/99

    Audi S4 1.21,1 min 8.42 min 08/98

    Audi S4 Avant 1.19,1 min 8.29 min 11/03

    Audi TT 1.8 quattro 1.19,9 min * 8.42 min 11/98

    Audi TT 2.0 TFSI 1.18,9 min 8.40 min 02/07

    Audi RS 6 1.17,6 min 8.20 min 09/02

    Audi RS 4 1.18,2 min 8.25 min 10/00

    Audi RS 4 ** 1.15,4 min 8.09 min 06/06

    BMW Alpina B3 33 1.19,3 min 8.36 min 07/99

    BMW M Roadster 1.18,2 min 8.32 min 09/97

    BMW M3 1.16,3 min * 8.22 min 12/00

    BMW M3 CSL ** 1.13,5 min 7.50 min 08/03

    BMW M3 SMG 1.18,4 min 8.35 min 03/97

    BMW M5 1.17,6 min * 8.28 min 03/99

    BMW M5 1.16,5 min 8.13 min 12/04

    BMW Z4 3.0 SMG 1.18,1 min 8.32 min 05/03

    BMW Z8 1.17,4 min 8.18 min 08/00

    BMW 335i Coupé 1.17,8 min 8.26 min 10/06

    BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i 1.18,4 min 8.34 min 04/01

    BMW Z4 3.0si Coupé 1.17,8 min 8.32 min 08/06

    BMW M6 ** 1.14,4 min 8.09 min 12/05

    BMW M Coupé 1.17,2 min 8.22 min 10/98

    Brabus Mercedes CLK 5.8 1.18,3 min 8.38 min 12/98

    Brabus Mercedes C V8 Sportcoupé 1.19,8 min 8.35 min 02/02

    Callaway C12 Coupé 1.15,0 min 8.25 min 04/99

    Chevrolet Corvette 1.18,2 min 8.40 min 07/97

    Chevrolet Corvette-Jubiläumsmodell 1.15,9 min 8.18 min 09/03

    Chrysler Viper GTS 1.15,9 min 8.10 min 10/97

    Corvette C6 1.14,8 min 8.15 min 08/05

    Corvette Z06 1.11,7 min. 7.49 min 06/07

    Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.14,3 min * 8.13 min 10/04

    Donkervoort D8 180R 1.14,1 min 8.10 min 03/01

    Ferrari F 355 1.15,3 min 8.18 min 06/97

    Ferrari Challenge Stradale ** 1.13,0 min 7.56 min 02/04

    Ferrari 360 Modena 1.15,1 min 8.09 min 10/99

    Ferrari F 430 F1 1.12,7 min 7.55 min 01/06

    Ferrari 575M Maranello 1.14,7 min 8.05 min 12/02

    Ferrari 550 Maranello 1.16,1 min 8.07 min 06/98

    Ford GT 1.14,1 min 7.52 min 02/06

    Honda NSX 1.18,4 min 8.38 min 08/97

    Honda S 2000 1.18,9 min 8.39 min 01/00

    Honda Civic Type-R 1.20,9 min 8.47 min 11/01

    Honda NSX-R ** 1.14,6 min 8.09 min 08/02

    Jaguar XKR Coupé 1.19,3 min * 8.36 min * 07/98

    Jaguar XKR 1.16,9 min 8.25 min 12/06

    Koenigsegg CCR 1.09,8 min 7.34 min 03/06

    Lamborghini Diabolo GT 1.14,4 min 8.04 min 07/00

    Lamborghini Murcielago LP 640 ** 1.11,8 min 7.47 min 01/07

    Lamborghini Diabolo SV 1.16,4 min 8.09 min 12/97

    Lamborghini Gallardo 1.11,8 min 7.52 min 12/03

    Lamborghini Murciélago 1.12,0 min 7.50 min 06/02

    Lotec Porsche 911 Turbo 1.12,3 min 7.57 min 05/98

    Lotus Esprit Sport 350 1.15,3 min 8.13 min 05/99

    Lotus Exige ** 1.14,8 min 8.42 min 11/00

    Lotus Exige ** 1.16,5 min 8.32 min 08/04

    Maserati Gransport 1.16,2 min 8.18 min 09/05

    Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa 1.19,2 min 8.30 min 10/02

    Maserati 3200 GT 3200 GT 1.18,4 min 8.37 min 09/00

    Mercedes C 55 AMG 1.18,6 min 8.22 min 07/04

    Mercedes C 43 AMG 1.19,5 min 8.51 min 02/98

    Mercedes CLK 430 1.20,8 min 8.52 min 09/98

    Mercedes CLK 55 AMG 1.18,2 min 8.29 min 05/00

    Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1.17,1 min 8.24 min 04/05

    Mercedes CLK DTM AMG ** 1.12,5 min 7.54 min 03/05

    Mercedes SLR McLaren 1.13,5 min 7.52 min 06/04

    Mercedes SL 65 AMG 1.15,6 min 8.14 min 02/05

    Mercedes C 32 AMG 1.20,6 min 8.37 min 09/01

    Mercedes SL 500 1.19,7 min 8.38 min 12/01

    Mercedes SLK 32 AMG 1.18,5 min 8.26 min 05/01

    Mercedes SL 55 AMG 1.15,9 min * 8.06 min * 04/02

    Mini Cooper S Works 1.22,2 min 8.55 min 09/04

    Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI ** 1.18,4 min 8.25 min 11/99

    Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII ** 1.18,2 min 8.25 min 11/02

    Morgan Aero 8 1.18,9 min 8.39 min 04/03

    Nissan 350 Z 1.18,8 min 8.26 min 10/03

    Opel Speedster Turbo 1.17,1 min 8.34 min 04/04

    Pagani Zonda S 1.11,8 min 7.44 min 07/02

    Pagani Zonda F 1.10,8 min 7.33 min 05/06

    Porsche 911 GT3 (996) 1.13,2 min 7.54 min 06/03

    Porsche 911 Carrera 4 (996) 1.16,6 min 8.23 min 02/01

    Porsche 911 GT3 (996) 1.14,9 min 8.03 min 08/99

    Porsche 911 Turbo (996) 1.14,6 min 7.56 min 06/00

    Porsche 911 GT3 (997) ** 1.11,7 min 7.48 min 07/06

    Porsche 911 Turbo (997) 1.11,9 min 7.54 min 5/07

    Porsche 911 Carrera (996) 1.15,9 min 8.17 min 01/98

    Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) ** 1.11,8 min 7.47 min 03/04

    Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) ** 1.11,1 min 7.48 min 03/07

    Porsche 911 Turbo Werkstuning (993) 1.14,3 min 8.12 min 06/97

    Porsche Carrera GT 1.08,6 min 7.32 min 01/04

    Porsche Boxster (986) 1.19,4 min 8.36 min 03/03

    Porsche 911 Carrera (993) 1.18,3 min 8.28 min 07/97

    Porsche 911 Carrera (996) 1.17,1 min 8.17 min 10/01

    Porsche 911 Carrera Cabrio (993) 1.18,3 min 8.28 min 04/97

    Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) 1.14,3 min 8.05 min 05/05

    Porsche 911 GT2 (996) 1.12,6 min 7.46 min 06/01

    Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (996) ** 1.09,1 min 7.49 min 02/99

    Porsche 911 Turbo (993) 1.14,1 min 8.12 min 03/97

    Porsche Cayman S 1.15,9 min 8.25 min 11/06

    Porsche Boxster (986) 1.19,3 min 8.54 min 04/97

    Porsche Boxster S (986) 1.18,3 min 8.32 min 12/99

    Porsche Boxster S (987) 1.16,2 min 8.23 min 04/06

    Renault Mégane Trophy 1.18,8 min 8.38 min 06/05

    Renault Clio Sport V6 1.20,2 min 8.49 min 07/01

    Subaru Impreza WRX STi ** 1.17,9 min 8.24 min 05/04

    Subaru Impreza GT Turbo 1.19,4 min 8.37 min 03/00

    TechArt Porsche GT Street 1.12,3 min 7.43 min 08/01

    VW Golf V6 4 Motion 1.22,9 min 9.09 min 04/00
     
  5. intouch1

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    #30 intouch1, Aug 6, 2007
    and now for being contentious:

    puts the GT2 clearly into Carrera GT and Pagani Zonda F territory :eek: :eek:
     
  6. the_jay

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    #31 the_jay, Aug 6, 2007
    So the F430 beat the 599???
     
  7. intouch1

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    #32 intouch1, Aug 6, 2007


    by nature, it should.
     
  8. DriveAfterDark

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    #33 DriveAfterDark, Aug 6, 2007


    It should. Because of F430 having no weight (no engine) in front it should go around corners faster. But if the time in both are almost equal that's not less impressive because of the 599 having a front engine and being a GT.
     
  9. Tarek K.

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    #34 Tarek K., Aug 6, 2007
    No doubt in that.
     
  10. JERRYZ

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    #35 JERRYZ, Aug 6, 2007
    Comparing a GT2 to a stock 430? Not quite apples to apples. Let's see how the 430 Scuderia tracks vs. a GT2.
     
  11. krC2S

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    #36 krC2S, Aug 6, 2007
    intouch1 first of all it's clearly a good number but

    1- you have to use the same measure so sport auto is more useful since same driver
    2- tires are key between the PS2 and "almost street" new MPSC the 997tt had a 3 second difference by WR
    so between street tires and real r-comps you can have a much bigger difference.
    3- A more track oriented setup ( which is not hard to do) can do miracles, see the time difference between a GT3 and a 997s with only 60 HP difference is 14 seconds! and 13 seconds for 360 and 360 cs with just 25 HP

    so comparing out-of-the box soft street oriented cars with more track oriented setup cars like a GT3/2 or a stradale/scuedria can be deceiving !

    i think times are interesting to look at but it's the feel and how a car delivers performance is what really matters..you can get a heavily modded 700 HP evo to run
    faster times then some of these p-cars and f-cars but would you take that instead?
     
  12. SSNISTR

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    #37 SSNISTR, Aug 6, 2007
    What till the 430 Scuderia comes out....your comparing the top 911 to the "base" F430.
     
  13. ag512bbi

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    #38 ag512bbi, Aug 6, 2007
    Yawn, Your begining to bore me with that porsche thing. go on a porsche site where people would care!
     
  14. instantkarma

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    #39 instantkarma, Aug 6, 2007
    Agreed, who really gives a flying ****?

    If I wanted a Porsche I'd buy one. Or three.
     
  15. the_jay

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    #40 the_jay, Aug 6, 2007
    Well, if I remember correctly, the 599 beat the Enzo around Fiorano, right? So did the 430 beat the Enzo too???

    I could be totally wrong, this is going on my memory! :D

    Regardless, they're all wonderful cars, and I'd like a 599, 430Scud, GT2, and CGT, if I could :D :D
     
  16. 2000YELLOW360

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    #41 2000YELLOW360, Aug 6, 2007
    As some one who used to race, all I can say is that the difference is so small, none of you would notice the difference. What is important is how it got there. Which is the easiest to drive, which would go faster in the hands of someone without a huge amount of skill. That is the question. Just because one is quicker in the hands of a great driver, doesn't mean it's quicker in the hands of the average fool. I'd want to know which is quicker in the ham handed idiot's hands, because that's more like what we compare, not which is quicker in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, because, none of you do.

    Art
     
  17. Tom(Atl)

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    #42 Tom(Atl), Aug 6, 2007
    I'd say the 430 should be compared to a GT3, and the 430 Scuderia to the GT3 RS. The GT2 doesn't have a Ferrari counterpart. Unless your only criteria for a car are cost and performance. If so, the Z06 should be mentioned (7m 43s, $70k).

    To the starter of this thread: Yes, the GT2 is impressively quick, but it has to be. It's a $190k Porsche with a 911 body. That just sounds wrong to me, no matter how fast it is. You're not going to convert anyone here. Life is more than just numbers (cost or lap times). In the end, the Porsche is a Porsche and the Ferrari is a Ferrari.
     
  18. krC2S

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    #43 krC2S, Aug 6, 2007
    i know what you mean but those are very big claims and assumptions..you may be a great driver but i've been around many "racers" and many of them aren't that good


     
  19. intouch1

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    #44 intouch1, Aug 7, 2007

    agreed....but imagine a forum without discussions.......yawn !!
     
  20. intouch1

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    #45 intouch1, Aug 7, 2007

    then why are you following this thread ?????

    why do you mind an open discussion where everybody is free to exchange their respective opinions ??

    enjoy !
     
  21. ferraripete

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    #46 ferraripete, Aug 7, 2007
    stud!
     
  22. ag512bbi

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    #47 ag512bbi, Aug 7, 2007
    You obviously don't like Ferraris with a comment like that! So why are you on a FERRARI forum??????? Your only here to start sh**. Am I the only one figuring and calling you out??? with only a few threads, I think your here to ONLY start commotion. Call me out, I don't care! I will continue to check this thread and defend Ferraris. Trust me I got them both and you know it and I know it, there is no comparison. Until you own a Ferrari, You don't know what your talking about. The GT2 is a great car, But so are alot of other cars. No need to come on here and tell us how much better it is than Ferraris. Make friends here that's what this site is all about. There are Porsche site out there. Go there if you want to talk Porsche.
     
  23. 2000YELLOW360

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    #48 2000YELLOW360, Aug 7, 2007
    What I meant was that for 99% of those on this chat, it doesn't make any difference, other than braggng rights. The real criteria is whether or not the vehicle is driver friendly. I'm sure that a lot of cars are quicker around xyz race track, however, if that is only done with a professional driver, it makes no difference. The real criteria is which is quicker with the average driver, such as you have on this chat.

    I've driven porsches, and while quick, they are a handful when driven close to the margin. Same is true for the 360. Not true for the 430 though. In some of the motorcycle and car magazines they test with a pro, a journalist, and an average driver. The results aren't always the same. I'm suggesting that the real criteria is the result from an average driver.

    Art
     
  24. intouch1

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    #49 intouch1, Aug 7, 2007

    maybe it's the coffee......go for green tea...much healthier...

    hate to disappoint you....had a 360 Modena.....and since I was clear that it's no more Ferrari's for me........nevertheless, I think they are great cars....especially the F430 and the 599. in the end it boils down to personal preference.....

    furthermore i really don't think you have anything to defend as nobody is in attack mode.....stating simple facts was never an assault was it ?

    have a great day.......
     
  25. ag512bbi

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    #50 ag512bbi, Aug 7, 2007
    Very well then. Lets leave it at that! Hope you have a good day too...
     
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