Renault would welcome back Alonso

I can agree with this, which is why in my previous post I said it's "going to take some time to get over". And yes, Ferrari does have a long and distinguished history, however it was 21 years between championships. Put it this way, showing my regional experience here. The Green Bay Packers have a long a distinguished history, but now Brett Favre = Packers, Packers = Brett Favre. It's because he brought the team back (last few seasons excluded) and is the most public face of the team. Years from now, MS will be a smile on old fans faces, but right now, he is still Ferrari.

 

FYI, it is not technically profanity as that requires language that debases something Holy...while I like Alonso, he is far from Holy....it is instead vulgar, although I recognize that the modern use of the word profanity seems to include vulgarity too

 

Oh, I learned something new today. Thanks!

 

Walk into a Ferrari dealership and tell them you want to buy a Schumacher...

 

Walk into a Mercedes dealership and talk about Senna, Prost, Alonso, Hamilton, no one will know what you're talking about.

 

While that's true nobody said Mercedes = Senna, Prost, Alonso, Hamilton. It is only that some on here think Ferrari = Schumacher, which is simply not the case.

 

The 3 of you feed off each other like like the little fish on the backs of sharks. You are the ones that keep bringing up MS and how he did this and that(always bad things of course). Something really erks you about MS and I doubt that it is because his name is now interlocked with Ferrari.I also dont think ist because of the few on track incidents either. Its something else. I think for at least one of you its because Alonshole will never reach his status, not in a million years as you also seek that replacement of your hero Senna. Alonsohole was the man to fullfill the lost dreams back in 1994 and it really bothers some of you that he will never do this. For those of you with a little unbiased memory....Ferrari was nothing and was going nowhere fast when the F355 came along and in F1 Michael Shcumacher jumped into our blood red machine. He did everything to mould that pile of steel back to what it once was, something we could all be proud of again. The 3 of you claim to be Ferrari fans (Tifosi) and if you truly are then you have to recognise what this man did for the team, the mark and ultimately the showroom. NOBODY else could ever have done what he did and probably nobody will ever do anything like this again....Maybe Lewis Hamilton will come close but then again the same people on here seem to have a problem with him as well(probably because he also threatens Alonso). Between pulling for Alonshole, the McCheater team in Stepneygate and your constant hate for Michael Schumacher, it is not too clear what you guys come on here for but it surely isnt to support the Ferrari mark.

 

Which 3 are being referred to? I'm a huge Schumacher fan and in all honesty, have a little trouble seeing how you could have been a Ferrari fan in the past 10 years but not a Schumacher fan. Maybe I'm small minded but I just don't see how you can distinguish between the two in any year 96-06. I'll admit, since I'm younger I grew up on Schumacher at Ferrari but it's just difficult to see a distinction when he was on the team.

 

Just to get a few things straight:
- I was a huge Schumacher fan until 2004. Thereafter I lost interest in him. I don't hate him at all. I have a lot of respect for what he did for Ferrari the brand as well as for the Benetton and Ferrari racing teams. I thought his parking in Monaco was some of the worst I have ever seen in racing. I understood the bump of Hill and Villeneuve and personally didn't have an issue with that. But parking in Rascasse is about as low as one can go. But then came Alonso:
- I was a big Alonso fan until Budapest this year. Parking at the pits so Hami can't get a fast lap in is just as bad as parking in Rascasse. The FIA should have banned him from racing in Budapest altogether.
- Also for the record: I never was a Senna fan. I was/am a Prost fan. I have a lot of respect for Senna as I have for Schumacher, Alonso and whoever becomes a multiple champion.
- Regarding my postings on here: I find some of the constant adoration MS gets and the hatred for Alonso in general (not just for what he did in Budapest) appauling and find it rather refreshing that some people are chiming against this sycophantic trend.
- If you really think I don't come here to support the Ferrari mark, well then you just lost me. I'm totally with Montezemolo (who in my eyes really represents Ferrari) and I understood for why he wanted to get rid of Schumacher. Ferrari is a lot bigger than one driver.
- Speaking of Ferrari, Montezemolo and the turnaround of the mid nineties: True that a lot was due to Schumacher, but an equal (if not bigger amount) was down to Luca. He critiqued the 348 and laid the foundation to make the 355 the success it became. Schumacher had nothing to do with the 355.

 

Michael Schmacher has contributed more to Ferrari in F1 than any other driver.

Here's the history of Ferrari World Constructors Championships.

1961 Phil Hilll WDC
1964 John Surtess WDC
1975 Niki Lauda WDC
1976 Niki Lauda (did not win WDC)
1977 Niki Lauda WDC
1979 Jody Shecter (not WDC)
1982 G Villeneuve (not WDC)
1983 Patrick Tambay (not WDC)
1999 Michael Schumacher (not WDC)
2000 Michael Schumacher WDC
2001 Michael Schumacher WDC
2002 Michael Schumacher WDC
2003 Michael Schumacher WDC
2004 Michael Schumacher WDC

Conclusion: Of the 14 times Ferrari has won the WCC, Michael Schmaker has been the lead driver for the team 6 times. Niki Lauda is in second place with 3 times. Before Schumi came SF hadn't won a contructors championship for 16 long years.

What driver has done more for Ferrari in F1 than Michael Schumacher? Answer: Nobody.

 

No disagreement there.

 

I never said Schumacher had anything to do with the 355.

 

Ok, then I don't understand this:

So that "pile of steel" refers then only to the F1 car? I would agree with that. Which goes along my point, that Schumacher was responsible (along with his entourage of Todt, Brawn, Stepney, Dyer etc) for the F1 turn around, but not for Ferrari's. That honor goes to Montezemolo. Which is why I take offense with Ferrari = Schumacher.

 

I would even say, that had he stayed on for this year, we could add another WDC and WCC. He wouldn't have made the mess of the season that Massa and Kimi did. And we wouldn't have lost Brawn.

 

I am sticking my oar in on this if its ok with you lot..
For most of time MS was in F1 I wanted him beat I admit that. Mika was my fav driver even when he was crying in the bushes, but then I didnt own ferrari.
I loved the cars but could nt bring myself to like MS.

On reflection I now see and feel the passion of the F mark, MS brought this to new heights.
So yes it must affect sales in production cars.
In england back in the day if you got caught speeding it was "who do think you are! Sterling moss" then Mansall, Hill
MS has had this role for as long as I can remember.
My point is that MS was F1 to non fans and his story to the top goes down in history as one of the greats..
I now regret cheering when he crashed, on his last race I was gutted he didnt win he had totally won me over.
I would have loved to see him race LH IMO out of the same mould maybe even better..

Its sometimes hard to look at the broad picture when your rooting for a team inhindsight I was blinkered.
But then again i didnt post on Fchat

 

Good post. Tifosi12, My second quote, this is a prime example of someone seeing what he wants to see in a post and not what the poster is saying.

 

+1 MS would be leading the championship. The best driver in the world is currently not driving in F1 he is retired=MS.

 

+2

 

+3

 

As it was Carlos Goshn and Renault's indecision over the future makeup of their F1 programme, that caused Alonso to seek another driver how keen do you think he would be to return?

FA + Toyota won't work! - Toyota should do themselves a favour - dump Nick Fry, Ralf Schumacher and Jarno Trulli who are collectively overrated and overpaid and spend their €'s hiring Ross the Boss and driving talent capable of doing the job!

As for FA, he'd be far better modifying his approach out of the car, to match the talent he has in it and demonstrate why he is currently twice world champion with more to come.

 

Acually Nick Fry is at Honda. Everything else I agree with.

 

Hate to correct you Sir, but you missed one. Ferrari won the constructors championship in 89 when they introduced the F1 gearbox.

 

My source lists McLiaren/Honda Drivers Senna/Prost WDC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Constructors%27_Champions

I was wrong once. I thought I had made a mistake. But it turned out I was right all along. so my sistake was in doubting myself.

 

McLaren Honda WCC, Prost WDC in 1989.

 

Jody Scheckter was WDC in 1979.