New Rule here at Fchat. And it's simple and easy to follow.

Me too. Thats the only english grammar rule I know

Regards,

Stew

 

like the focus?

 

Agreed! Include in the terms of use that the forum does not condone breaking the law and/or the behavior of its members. Done deal.

Or, as was suggested, move the server overseas. It wouldn't affect FChat's integrity as much as sticking its head in the sand asking everyone not to talk about driving fast.

 

speaking of which, one of my pet peeves from news casters: "...and for a non un-disclosed amount...."

triple negatives makes my mind hurt.

<back to regular broadcasting>

 

Disclaimer is not going to stop someone from dragging you in a lawsuit. That is something you would have to convince the judge once you were there and you better have good legal council to do that arguing for you. as far as the claiment being liable in a perfect world yes. But in reality it is a crap shoot. You can bring a case against them for legal expenses but you are going to be paying a lawyer to argue that as well so basicly you are better off cutting your losses with your "winning" then trying to win a judgement for your legal expenses. I worked safety for trucking companies for years I have been through several frivilous lawsuits.

 

While I understand FChats policy, can't say I like it, where does it end? Do we have to stop talking about radar detectors
because of their obvious intended use, known speed traps, etc..... Regardless I"ll still remain a member unless things go
far. Political correctness and lawsuits are killing this country. So I guess every F car owner on FChat, even the ones that
agree with the policy drive the sped limit?

 

Like a gravel truck driving too fast on rough roads with a big sign "not responsible for broken windshields"?

__________

Now I am truly amazed by all the arguments about legality, free speech, and general libertarianism. These things are not addressing the point of the policy, as I see it. Who cares if somebody may or may not be sued? Or, if the cops get somebody for bragging up their own stupidity?

We need to be asking ourselves "what is the RIGHT thing to do?" here. We need to be thinking about young kids or grown wannabees that might be encouraged into messing up by stupid brags which may not even be half true. We need to be remembering that there are plenty of public transportation safety nannies and environmental types that would just love to use the stupid part of "free speech" to take away the keys to our Fcars. Why hand them ammunition?

 

It's good that we can have such a dscussion here: hopefully people will learn something.

But the bottom line is that every major car board i have ever been on has this rule. Don't post anything about breaking the law. You wouldn't post about the 50 kilos of heroin in your closet. Speeding is also illegal, and it doesn't matter one whit about the degree of illegality.

You can't be a little bit illegal any more than you can be a little bit pregnant.

 

You back in the States, now?

 

We learned right from wrong. You're suggesting your kids are too stupid to learn that? Insulting, isn't it? Stop taking everyone for morons. I'm not the norm, okay?

 

Rob has made a decision with integrity based on several issues. As the owner and administrator of the site he would probably have some exposure even if the physical server was moved. But that is not the point at all. I don't believe he is looking for a "loophole". His integrity is above that.

Also, no one is sticking their head in the sand at all. If anyone would like to start a website or go to a website and talk about their speeding, reckless driving, etc, they are free to do so. Rob has just asked not to do it here on his site. Seems clear enough.

Also to be fair, posting video and pictures of illegal acts is very different from talking about a traffic accident. This is a brand new policy here on Fchat and it will take some time to see the results and adjust the policy if necessary. Be calm. Life goes on. Don't worry, you won't slide down the "Slippery Slope" and end up in handcuffs forced to watch videos of Bill Clinton asking what the meaning of "is" is.

Regards,


Stew

 

and your point is?

 

Your gratuitous reply, sir! --

a) apparantly some of us have not.
b) my kids ARE or WERE about that stupid some of the time.
c) yes, but it was not actually intended to be.
d) OK.
e) I can see that.
f) okay.

OK?

 

I agree PC and lawsuits are killing this country. But until or better yet if it changes the only thing a peron can do i try to minimize their exposure. I believe there is a difference between driving over the posted limit and endangering lives of others. I don't see many people coming on here bragging that they went 75 in a 65 zone. I believe the reason for this rule is for the idiots the run 100+ mph or are drag racing on public streets where your and my family could be commuting. This type of behavior shouldn't be condoned or glorified on this site. I can see there being legal concerns for Rob. Which by the way is the owner of the wallet the lawyers are going to try to get in if there is such a suit brought. It is easy to complain about this when your pocketbook is not the one in danger.

 

Indeed it is. FChat and Rob do not want people commenting on their spirited driving (because that's what we're talking about here, when's the last time you stuck to the speed limit and enjoying the drive?). I love being on a forum and feeling unwelcome. Mmmmh, that community feeling.

 

There we have it. An attempted, yet failed prosecution for a post. Can we now stop all of the hype about who's going to jail over a post?

 

kid should have changed his focus on the camera and himself

lawyer will try to change the focus of the charge to ?

joke............

but more importantly, do you believe that only being charged and not convicted in such a stunt is ok? don't understand the point you make. It's akin to people saying it's ok to talk about reckless behaviour and not taking responsibility for what the consequences can be.

I don't buy the argument that people will always find the truth on their own and therefore we have no responsibility to present a better mind for the common thread. If we talked reckless behaviour non-stop, do ya' think someone wouldn't think it was worth a try to emulate? I believe there are those out there that would do just that, emulate us 'rich ferrari' owners because if we own such, and the persona is we are 'rich...n.. famous' that there must be something to emulate the video image we project.
<have a server to watch back in a few>

 

I think if you do a google of posting and conviction you will find many.

Ever hear of police pretending to be underage children and gettin results.....that is via posting. The posting is/will be used as evidence against that person when arrested.....

 

The policy reads in part

"...F-Chat reserves the right to remove any postings that inappropriately encourage or glorify reckless driving behavior on the streets..."

You use the word "spirited" as a euphemism to undermine Rob and make you complaint seem more credible. Rob is referring to something much more serious.

Go have a good cup of Tim Hortons coffee and think about it. You are very welcome here on Fchat. If you feel otherwise.....

Regards,

Stew



p.s. I finally found a place in So. Calif that has Tim Hortons coffee

 

Deal on criminal! What about civil liability? I can hear the first questions from the plantiffs attorney now in a deposition "Does your site encourage dangerous and unlawful driving activities? Do you have a written policy to discourage such activities?"

 

The post can give the police or DA probable cause to arrest and or file charges. The lack of conviction in a particular case doesn't mean the evidence in the post was not enough. There are many cases that do not end in a conviction. A conviction is a complicated thing. Ask OJ

Regards,

Stew

 

The fine line between spirited and reckless is already hard enough to figure in real life, let alone on the web!!!

If Rob and FChat want to act like policemen, good for them. I still think that if people driving above the speed limit scare them that much, aviatorchat is perhaps a better place.

 

nailed ****, sorry rick use the search function. I have already disclosed most of the information dave calls for (gratuitously). just check the original posts. information that i didn't post, like my dl # can be easily had from the other info. daves post is the most gratuitous post so far. What does posting your personal information on a public website prove? that I'm a man? what a joke. Rob was presented with a decision and he pussied out. period. that is my opinion. it's his forum and he can do as he likes. but since the forum only exists because of the people that decide to contribute here, really you need to be careful. no people, no forum. look at the 100 other ferrari forums. nobody is on them. I know the drill-america love it or leave it. but there is also america-love it or don't contribute as much as you used to. i've seen that happen much more because of all the bs fighting, trolling and name calling than because of someone bragging about speeding in their ferrari. rob should work on that a little more diligently. just out of curiosity dave, what is the top speed you have achieved on the public highways? man up.

 

weak. you know damn well there is a law against seducing children. and there is an even stronger law about showing up at their house to do it. no comparison to saying you broke the speed limit on an anonymous forum.

 

I am a pilot and drive a ferrari. Your example is correct. There is a time and place for everything. If you want speed get on a plane or take our car to the track. Roads are for the public to get from point A to Point B. It is pretty arrogant to think one's entertainment should be allowed endanger someone else by driving at dangerously high speeds or racing on public highways.