What do you think of this BB 512i?

I will defer to the Boxer experts on the car, but I don't think you want to stretch your budget to get into a BB. These are big boy cars when it comes to service costs. You might price out a few parts -- distributor caps, ignition wires, etc. -- to get an idea.

I love Boxers. Just make sure you go into it with your eyes open and wallet padded.

EDIT: For comparison, http://www.sportauto.cc/inventory_ferrari/1984_512_BBi_Red/index.htm

 

I don't know what these are going for. But this one does look like a pretty nice car. I did notice it says that it had the 50 state certification. If it does have a CA bar sticker that would be a definate plus as a number of these cars can't be registered in CA.

 

Wow! I think Virtuoso sold that ~ a year ago for $78K or so with two sets of wheels. After not too long a period, it shows up on Legendary Motors' inventory. And now @ Fantasy Junction for 2x the price!

 

That's "all the money" for sure right now....time will tell if that's a "good deal" but like land they won't be making any more of them......

I recall the 75K days too, that's about two years back there!!!!

 

i looked at this car in the LA area back in jan 07.car looked good and sounded fine.this current is not the owner i spoke with back in jan07.this owner bought it from micheal zugsmith,who i spoke with when in LA.the car din't come with paper work or any history.at the time he could not provide me with any dot/epa...iam not saying theey don't exist he just didn't have at the time i asked for them.the work was done on this car at a shop in N.CAL..i don't remember the shops name.but work was done becouse icalled the shop at the time and they verified the work.

 

Becoming more and more difficult to find a Boxer with current California registation with a Bar sticker.If the buyer lives in California the price would be right there.

 

You can check with DOT and get new copies if papers are lost.......I agree about the CA Bar sticker.....

 

Just to refine a point: once it has a Calif. BAR sticker, it's NOT something that needs renewal.

Have Boxer's suddenly gotten this expensive??? Wow! Makes me wonder if Boxer prices are lagging but nevertheless following the trend in Daytonas.

Do your research on this car or possibly regret the consequences. The lack of paperwork can spell some seriously bad news. It's bogus. What kind of Ferrari owner loses paperwork? Contact Virtuoso to investigate if Fantasy J doesn't do it.

Like Bullfighter said: you got to have lots of padding for maintenance.

 

by the way 87k was the price in jan07..it seems that prices have gone up quiet a bit..virtusos is the shop i called....i didn't read the add...was that in fantasy junction bio.....

 

It looks like a nice car and has a current CA license plate, at least if it belongs to the car, so should have a BAR sticker. I wonder if the seats have been re-done, as they don't look like they have 25 km on them. If they have been, and if they were well done, I'd count that as a positive, not a negitive thing. The dashboard cost about $2K to recover.
If the engine service was done in 2001, it's due for another. Perhaps you could convince the dealer to do it with the purchase.
As Tex said, the asking price is pretty much all the $$$$$ right now. In 2 years it might seem like a steal, then again, maybe not.
If you're not sure you can, or want to afford the asking price, look at this thread, #14, for the operating costs on my car during the past 26 months.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=165072
Misc repair items included simple things like spark plugs, ignition wires, distributor rebuild, air filters, etc.
Major mechanical repairs can be eye-watering! But then again, owning one will put a major smile on your face!
Good luck, John

 

Hi Peter,
There are many experts here, but it seems a bit high to me. I looked for better than 3 1/2 yrs and watched prices languishing in the $70s, into the $80s and on up until I found mine Nov of last year. I know prices are rising (I thought I seriously overpaid for mine, but knew I was in for the long haul and it was the right car for me) but I wonder about paying $150k for that car. Little things like the rear suspension/brake caliper condition seem to evidence many more than 25k kms, or that it was not a well maintained car. Looked like someone tried to do a pressure spray job on the underside, but where they missed it showed significant grime and build up like a car with much higher mileage.

It is represented as original paint. There is a detail picture of the front badge, it is looks faded with road rash. Why isn't the paint in the same condition if original? A repaint isn't a bad thing if done right. It may be as represented, but it would behoove you to get the facts validated by your own resources. As others have said, you could have a very expensive can of worms if you don't know exactly what you are getting and you have a relatively fixed budget.

Fill in your profile and engage some of the real experts here on FChat. You can learn a ton and end up with the car you dreamed about (like me!) instead of a nightmare.
William

 

I'd rather a mint 512TR

 

i think steve barney has now sold the more expensive boxers on the market...he is getting the money as his cars are always well represented and have the signature of tom jones on them. tom is a fantastic tecnician...billfighter knows this first hand.

steve barney is a blue blood ferrari person and says the boxer is the "next car". i trust steve and think that he has the resume to make that call. if you are serious about a box...call steve at sporrt auto and fly out to see their car.

pcb

 

nice car, beautiful color and nice pictures. However, it is too expensive...I think 125,000 would be tops for this car at this time.

 

Seems like only yesterday that everyone here was debating whether or not Boxers would break the 100k barrier. How things have changed. I am certainly glad i managed to find my second one before the acceleration in values.
Steve

 

I agree here because of the number of elapsed of years since the 30K service. At the very least, this car should have a 30K service. As others have said, do not rush into a Boxer. What is the old saying? "Buy in haste. Regret later." Whatever.

One fellow recommended a highly regarded tech. To get a good car at the right price, it's worth it to search the country. Since you're thinking of making a trip to FJ, ask to drive the car (assuming you can convince FJ you have the money).

Since you're in the Bay Area, I recommend you contact Brandon Lawrence in Burlingame. He knows many specific cars as they change hands over the years, and he probably knows something about this car. Brandon seems to prefer cars that are in top condition. He considers FJ as a second string outfit and that cars sold there will need work. (That name bugs me, BTW. It sounds lame.) Brandon says you can pay a high price for a really good car, or you pay a lesser amount and then pay the bucks to get the car right, but he says there's no blame in this--it's just the way it is. From my observation, he just seems to prefer cars that "need nothing." With his numerous contacts around the country, he can also find a car according to specifications.

I bought my 328 from Brandon and would definitely buy from him again. However, I would not blindly trust Brandon. He still has to demonstrate credibility on a per car basis. My 328 lacked records, and Brandon could provide only a photocopy of a recent 30K service, and that was all. Carfax revealed the ownership history. For getting another opinion, I had a PPI done by Tony Palladino in Redwood City. The only surprise was that the car had been tracked, evidenced by the accumulation of tiny rubber balls somewhere in the wheel wells. Tony said this is not unusual because many people drive their cars at FCA track days, for example. He said the car was in very good shape and worth the the asking price ($57K in 1999--as long as Brandon agreed to fix a couple minor issues, like getting new hydraulic struts (wrong word?) for the rear deck lid, and a new battery, which Brandon took care of without too much grumbling. Brandon's number is 650 558 8255. (During a subsequent service, I found out the cross-over fuel hose, which makes a bridge between the two gas tanks, had been improperly fitted with a water hose instead of a gasoline-specific hose. These sorts of short cuts are something to watch for.)

Question: have the techs that worked on the car been of Boxer idiosnycracies? For example, the distributer bearings are known to dry out. Have these been lubricated. You can find these and other Boxer issues in FChat threads.

I used the phone number of the previous owner, which was visible on the photocopied service record, to call the last owner. I called him up (a doctor in Texas) and became convinced that he loved the car and took care of it but wanted a 355.

My opinion: pass on this car unless you do extensive research on its history, definitively find out exactly what it needs (is that too much to ask at this price???), and negotiate the price down based on that. And don't forget: no matter what, after 6 years, it needs a 30K, engine out service, with belt change. I am not sure of the cost these days, but that's probably at least $7000.

David

 

I'd say $150k seems a little high, but if you live in California and want (or need) one with a BAR sticker (which is visible in one of the pics), I'd think long and hard about this one.

Boxers have been going up in price, and while no one wants to overpay, if this one is as good as it looks in the pictures and passes a thorough PPI, it may be worth the premium. Certainly you need to consider your time as well.

 

A mint 512TR? I'd rather have a breath mint.

 

i would have to disagree...any market,such as the current ferari "vintage"market..iam excluding 308s,328s,and trs.... that is appriciating at this rate is hard to predict when and where the market will end up.

 

Not sure if Im the only one that noticed this but it has carbed standard size wheels. The seats are correct for a boxer with the leather option but the door panels and headliner are for a car without that option. Minor as well as the radio being wrong, im sure there are more issues that make it incorrect but still nice to look at!

 

Ok so im a moron and looked at the rest of the pics after my last post. Nice to see the right rims and radio go with it. I think its worth the money because you could sell the BB wheels for good money, comes with the manuals, I like it.

 

It is my understanding that you could have speced a BB512i with leather seats and fabric door panel inserts and/or fabric headliner or all leather or all fabric or any combination thereof. My SN:42213 came with leather seats with Daytona inserts with fabric door panel inserts and fabric headliner...I have seen many other BB512i's that way too...just like the body color rear spoiler and carb covers, back in the day you could spec a Ferrari just about any way you wanted....that option has returned with the newer models...

 

Anything is possible I suppose but Ive never seen a fabric door panel and headliner with solid leather seats. All or none, mine has the leather seats as well with the fabric inserts to match the rest of the fabric. The seats were probably redone IMO. Mine came with different seats and large front brake cooling ducts - from day one but they were added after it rolled off the line. So, just 'cause it came that way doesnt mean its original.