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12 reasons why we can't yet call Hamilton the next Schumacher...

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  1. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    You seem to have enormous reading comprehension difficulty.

    My post was a direct rebuttal of this statement.
     
  2. cantsleepnk

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    +1000

    I hope we'll see him in red sometime down the road in his career
     
  3. tifosi12

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    I watched Senna in a Toleman live in the rain at Monaco. EVERYBODY could see it. Same goes for Bellof.

    I watched Schumacher in a Jordan qualify at Spa as a rookie. Same story.

    Hamilton's exceptional talent was visible in turn 1, lap 1 of Melbourne. And by now it has been made plainly obvious. I don't understand folks who don't see this after an entire season.
     
  4. red355

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    I was a Schumacher fan, I have always liked Ferrari but in the early 90s I was a Benetton fan. I don't base drivers on which team they drive for.
     
  5. kraftwerk

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    Me too so strange..

    BTW TOP GEAR new series starts this Sunday BBC 2..I will tape it send it you..:)
     
  6. kraftwerk

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    As I said "its far to soon" to early in his F1 career.

    What part of the small quote did you not understand..?


     
  7. IanMac

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    Fair enough. So what then IS the basis of your assessment of Hamilton in an earlier post, - Quote "Or the fact that he has nowhere near the talent or wholeness as a driver." Tell us please what your qualifications are to judge whether an up and coming driver is going to be a star or not?
     
  8. phylotic

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    He can drive, but he wouldn't have this WDC without the invisible hands.
    He won't take the next DC.
     
  9. phylotic

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    He's already a star and somebody's whore, which is one of the reasons he _must_ take this wdc.
    Wholeness as a driver - no way. It takes more than driving + c\licking the media

    His type of luck doesn't happen - it is manufactured.
     
  10. kraftwerk

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    Amazing what a post..:rolleyes:

    Ah, yes. A maternally crazed gorilla would come in

    handy at this very moment."


     
  11. lucky_13_2002

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    +1000
     
  12. barbazza

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    I keep reading this from you and a few others but I haven't been able to find anything that substantiates it. Other that the strange crane drop Lewis recieved in Germany (where he gained zero points), what has happened this season to grant him more points than alonso? Are these statements made with any basis in fact or simply due to a blind hatred for the driver? If there are any facts involved please enlighten the rest of us.
     
  13. IanMac

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    I think you might have to wait a long time for a sensible response to difficult questions like those. ;)
     
  14. red355

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    The same as anyone else's, none. It's all opinion none of us are in the business here so everything that is stated means nothing.
     
  15. IanMac

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    But some of us won't take a position or express an opinion unless there's good reason to believe it to be correct.

    In this case Ron Dennis, with half a lifetime at the sharp end of F1 saw something special in Hamilton and backed that with his money. Many other people involved in F1 who know what they are talking about and whose opinions are to be trusted also believe he is something special. So what makes you, someone who confesses to being unqualified, take the view that those people who are very well qualified to know are wrong? The word prejudice springs to mind.
     
  16. phylotic

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    He rendered Kimi null and void :)
     
  17. tifosi12

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    +1

    All good reasons, but all I need to see is right there on the telly: He beats a two time WDC. Nuff said.

    I bet even if LH bags 6 WDC titles, there will still be folks on here not believing it and stating that MS got 7 titles.
    Wait! Let me rephrase that: If he even bags 8 titles, there will be folks on here saying that it was all down to dumb luck.
     
  18. IanMac

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    I think you are spot on, although I do get the impression that quite a few of the folks you refer to would have a miraculous change of opinion if Hamilton ended up driving a Ferrari. ;)
     
  19. phylotic

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    I'll get a list for you, but since .hu, when LH + his dad began an earnest attack to marginalize
    and eventually exile Alonso, there has been a constant stream of circumstances where the hands
    of select persons interfered.

    Nevertheless, that image of LH hanging from the crane, under the torrential dark clouds,
    like a wet mouse, will be a indelible stain on any wdc he might get, and succinctly immortalizes
    the rather garden of evil spirit of this year's McL, beyond the Stepney/Coughlan scandal.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    I would agree with that. Having the golden boy win the title in his rookie year is indeed good for business. That doesn't IMHO take away from his amazing talent, which will propel him to more titles. But I would agree that there is a financial interest in him winning the title.

    Actually I still believe that had a lot more to do with the fact that he is driving a Mercedes and that he got stranded right in front of the grandstand where all the Mercedes executives watch the race from. Schumacher got once a "magic" push at the same track, just as Massa got Alonso relegated 5 places for no reason in Monza or the track marshalls cleaned up Melbourne in 2002 for Webber faster than Whiting could red flag the start collision. Local favors are a reality. Had LH been beached at any other track, they would have left him there like the others. Also what helped him was the fact, that the Mercedes engine can go into a standby mode (as also shown in Hungary qualifying), something nobody else can do yet. Plus LH's quick thinking and not killing the engine and stubbornly (and brave!) stay in the car.
     
  21. omgjon

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    I believe the Ferrari's have a similar system where 4 cylinders shut off to avoid overheating. I could be wrong though.
     
  22. phylotic

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    No issues.

    Interesting, but irrespective, it's a very symbolic image of the season, not only for LH, but McL as a whole.
    Hyperlink the * to that.
     
  23. derek002

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    I think so
     
  24. IanMac

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    My original post was in reponse to one by Barbazza in which he referred to 'unsubstantiated claims' by the anti-Hamilton people. Your reply doesn't address that issue, it simply repeats unsubstantiated claims. Where is the evidence that Hamilton and his father are responsible for what has happened to Alonso, where is the evidence of 'selected persons' interfering?

    I await your list with interest.
     
  25. kraftwerk

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    Your flogging a dead horse Ian ..


     

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