No 180's or 360's here....neither have many of my friends with CGT's. As far as being a handful on the street, it is as happy at 30 mph as it is at 130mph...rock solid, stable, and responsive to inputs. Your experience is the polar opposite of mine, which is difficult to explain.
I dunno man, during the GT2 vs Scuderia debate, some of the most diehard porsche guys went with the Scuderia, so its not a total porsche blinders board.
Great point, I've read about "non-pro" guys getting killed due to lack of driver acumen "at the limit" in THAT car. Once, at a track day (the guy feathered the throttle too soon entering a turn, lost the back, tried to correct with more throttle, and flew into a spin slamming into a wall, drivers side, game over). And once on the road with evasive manuvers, dude got cut off, lost it and drove into a truck, goodnight. Not to scare you or anything, awesome choice and congrats, but if you havent scheduled a high performance driving class in the CGT, Id strongly recommend it (I think Porsche can set you up). Once you know the machine like you know your skin, you'll appreciate your decision even more. The CGT is about the closest thing to an F1 car on the road, still the fastest time for a road car in "the ring" ever. Congratulations and enjoy.
not to be rude, but you wouldn't happen to be 'nberry' would you?? Just curious The CGT is definitely one of the best road cars in the world sans the hypercars like the F50/Enzo/Veyron/Macca etc.
"The CGT is definitely one of the best road cars in the world sans the hypercars like the F50/Enzo/Veyron/Macca etc.[/QUOTE] Respectfully, the CGT is a hypercar in the above context!
Gee thanks.......in the future I would appreciate your help to perpetuate the "crappy clutch" story which will speed the depreciation of CGTs and facilitate my acquisition of one of these horrible, POS cars.....
Porsche Carrera GT über alles. 'Nough said. Will trade left nut and kidney for one It's this millenium's 959 - A legend in the making. Buuuuut... I think a Scuderia probably will give you 90% of the CGT thrills...
I don't think he means it cuts loose out of nowhere cruising at 30 nor down the freeway in a straight line at 130. I think the car challenges a driver's skill (due to the intentional lack of stringent traction controls) when you get up into the mountains with 100 foot drops 4 feet away from the edge of the road. Have your friends done that consistently at 80-110mph, tapping (not stomping) the breaks, blipping the throttle downstifting and blasting out of the turns winding through the cliffs without a little sweat on their brow? It's pretty fun in an M3 but in a CGT, it's roulette.
I have spent a fair amount of time racing SCCA Touring and Showroom Stock classes (having spent considerable time at Bondurant, Barber and Russell) - I am fully capable of driving a CGT at the limits as well as the 430 and others. The point I make is simple - driving on the street has the variable of including others who are not similarly skilled (or quite frankly care to pay attention whilst on their cell phones etc.) As a result, one is not afforded with the opportunity to anticipate, corrrect or in a linear and measured manner. The CGT is - on the street much like velcro -meaning it will break away quickly and not in a linear fashion as the 430 - not forgiving. This is of course my opinion - I own/have owned and have substantial seat time in all of them. It is not pure speculation - Live with and drive them on the track and street - then report what that experience tells you. I would be most interested. If you have not or cannot, I must respectfully say that your opinion is less interesting.
Im not sure, was that directed toward me??? Or anyone with an opinion? If directed toward me, read my post again, I was AGREEING with you. AND I wasn't calling YOU a "non-pro". I was agreeing with you in how easy it is to lose the CGT without proper training, based on what I have seen. Personally as well (havent owned, but I've run a CGT on a track.) I've owned and have had substantial seat time in quite a few, on the track (996trbo, Z06, Exige, 360strad) my opinion doesn't come without some basis of reference. I hope there was no misunderstanding, I agree with you Stef430.
To lose either on public roads would generally (barring oil or other road debris) require significant irresponsible behaviour. The place to play with these cars is on a closed circuit, and then you might as well compare an Enzo to an F430.
I'm a die hard Ferrari fan, but IMO you'd be crazy to not pick the CGT. I'm not huge on Porsche, but they definatly nailed it with this car.
Nobody can take away from the CGT that it has HUGE power and it's very light weight...it's performance really is in the Hyper-fast category, which is probably why so many self-proclaimed pro-drivers/egomaniacs wrap these little things around telephone poles and leave famalies mourning at their graves. The CGT is less common, more rare in terms of exotics and will hold value better. BUT as pointed out, these are different cars. Very different. I know this will ruffle some feathers, but when I see a CGT I just think it's sleek-looking, HUGE performance and interesting....but it just doesn't have that beautiful & bold statement. It could just as well be a boxster with a fin and some aero-kit accessories. Performance, yes. Quality, yes. Value, yes. Pedigree.....much MUCH more then the appearance let's on......but it's still a cute-sized sports car and I don't find it all that exciting aside from it's amazing performance & power. The 430 Scud is just breathtaking. It's wide, low, exotic, erotic and defies someone not to notice & admire. It's poetry in motion and liquid-sex on wheels. NOT as fast, not as capable...so yeah, easier to drive and by that virtue safer. As for value.....please: anyone who can afford these cars isn't relying on them as an investment. We talk about value-retention because we can't separate our work ethics from our value system....but as soon as you blow coin on go-fast toys, you best leave that rational at the burger stand. I'm not knocking the CGT or defending Ferrari, like watches in a watch collection, each car has it's virtues. Both are awesome....just figure out which one suits your interest more, simple as that.
Absolutely, but I think the CGT would be at the bottom of that list. Now, I know you're a Porsche guy (GT3RS/CGT), but what are your thoughts on the Enzo? Any experience with them first hand?
i second that. my friend already had some problems with his clutch but personally i find it easy to handle.
Coming from a diehard Ferrari guy ... the CGT anyday over any F430. Not even fair to compare the two.
Thanks for the tips My house is located on a street that does not have the finish blacktop down yet. The road is smooth but there is a lip going into my driveway that my 360 never touched by my chevelle's headers hit everytime. Hopefully the GT is not much lower than the 360. I read that the car requires 15 minutes or so of warmup before shifting from 1st to 2nd. Thanks
