430 spider or Carrera GT?

I've swapped my F430 with my buddy's CGT several times and for days each. The CGT does take some getting used to, but is not as bad as mentioned on some of these boards. The F430 is definitely easier to drive, but the manual on the CGT is very addictive. Both engines play a sonorous note and depending on your musical tendencies, either would work. The CGT is definitely lower than the F430 (by a lot bc the F430s are raised from the factory, but can be adjusted once in your hands), so you do have to be careful in driveways. Although getting used to the clutch didn't take very long, it got a little tiring getting stuck on the 405 by Culver City once smack @ 4pm. Yeh, it'll do that if you're stop'n go for an hour, only to travel 10 miles in a frigg'n hour.

Ferrari has come a long way and the F430, in many ways, is a much better built vehicle than the 360 (I own both). I'd say test drive both and be the judge for yourself.

 

I make my living in the marketplace and unlike some here I dont have a CGT to try and defend.

I can tell you that there are a fair few cars on the market. One just sold for $330k with 3,000 miles on the clock. Another available has 4,000 miles and $330k is asked. I am reliably informed that anything over $310k will "do a deal" there.

The truth is in the marketplace these cars will face significant depreciation with wholesalers trading them amongst each other at this point in the high $200ks. Nberry's assessment is accurate.

Joe
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Totally incorrect. See my post above.

This amateur car dealer must be way behind the market and his info is way out-of-date. He claims he has "personal experience trying to source low-mileage CGTs for serious buyers", but I wouldnt call him if you were looking for one. Call a real professional broker and they can find you one at $310k to $340k pristine with low miles, or simply see Ebay, Du Pont etc. They are available at those lower numbers now and if youre patient, depreciation will work its magic.

Joe
www.joesackey.com

 

Joe,

Please pass along a contact for a real professional broker. I am possibly in the market for one and if I can find one for $310K or under, I will be all over it. Thanks.

 

E-mail your wishes to [email protected]

 

Professional broker !? LOL ! ie commission charger.....Stick to Lambos Joe, you're a year behind the market here. Considering the fact that these cars have appreciated this past year, I'm curious as to when and where the depreciation is predicted to start. Your buddy nberry is even forced to admit this.

I'm not an amateur car dealer as you say, the broker hustle is not for me. Too many reputable dealers and contacts I trust, and no need to rely on self promoting blow-hards.

The people I have referred to cars wanted low mileage, clean '05 no story cars. They were directed to those cars without commission, which I know makes you weep, and have been extremely pleased with their purchases. By the way, in the realm of CGT's, 4k miles is considered relatively higher mileage...considering a 22k mile car just exchanged hands for 360-380k, post the details of your low mileage car for 310k and I'm sure it will be snapped up. Depending on colour, you could be looking at over 400k for a pristine CGT in the current market. A black/black 200 mile car is for sale at a 425k (bottom line of 400k I'm told) if anyone is interested pm me..... no commission or monetary interest here !

I'm not going to get into a peeing contest over this, but the same blowhards that were predicting 200k CGTs are at it again...they were proven wrong once, and it is happening again before their biased closed eyes.


By the way, here is a market sampling of what I'm talking about....note the prices for '05's that I am referring to...The prices Joe the Blow is referring to are for '04's.....sigh, another "sackey slapping"....

http://www.cars.com/go/search/search_results.jsp?ct=9&tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&cid=&dlid=&dgid=&amid=&cname=&mdnm=Carrera+GT&mknm=Porsche&rd=10000&ddrd=&zc=40513&makeid=41&modelid=7591&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_41_%7CD-_7591_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-40513&aff=national&aff=national

 

Seems like you have an bigger bias, since you are "trolling" for customers.

I echo RuFMD"s sentiments that it appears that you don't know what you are talking about (motive again, should you be a sponsor!). Customer references about all the great deals you brought them (for cars without stories) might eatablish your credibility, and we'll see how many cars (and condition) you turn up at $310K. I have friends in the Business too, and they sing a different song. Are you trying to bait and switch? Have you sold a CGT recently? Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda doesn't count for much. A guy says "he can (take?) get me" counts for even less. If it is too good to be true..it must be a "typical" used car salesman.

Josh, don't get your expecations too high and keep us posted on your progress. This will be interesting!

 

They are 310k...in british pounds ! LOL !

http://ucl.porsche.de/ucl/plsql/uk/clients.show_car?sid_=12949721A599818E9E81D132B73BE8B&pnr_=1&lnr_=1&caller_=&grpid_=

 

Look I understand that you own a CGT and will defend it. That is fair and expected. However, be objective. My issues with the CGT had to do with it susceptibility to cut loose unexpectedly and I felt it was dangerous for the general public driving skills. I also have stated in the right hands the car is peerless including the Enzo.

FWIW, its value will decline regardless of your personal feelings. I will say it it again. High end Porsche's do not stand up well in the resale market. Enjoy your car and PLEASE drive it safely. It is a monster.

 

Completely disagree. I happily owned a CGT for over 2 years and put 8,000 miles on it. I drove it from Hong Kong to Shanghai. The car is absolutely fantastic to drive. It does not cut loose unexpectedly. Anything but. You would have to be sensory impaired to not receive the signals from the car. I did almost 300kms on the full Shanghai F1 track and had huge fun with the car sideways. My wife was in the car with me, the top was open and we were killing ourselves laughing. At 330kph the car is rock stable. The traction control is sublime. I am already on my 2nd 599 and have over 8,000kms of high speed experience with the 599. The CGT is in no way any more threatening than the 599. In fact I found it less threatening because the feedback is so fantastic. But that is the difference between the CGT as a supercar and the 599 as a fantastic production car

 

Shanghai F1 track
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Nick, I am being objective because my opinion of its driveability is based on personal driving experience. If the car had the sudden, shocking tendency you are so keen to tag on to it, I would NOT drive my wife in it...as it is, we enjoy the hell out of it. I'm no race car driver, but I enjoy spirited driving in it nonetheless...enough to make the uninitiated reach for the seat to hold on.

As far as the value goes, it may decline, it may stay where it is....my point is you were singing the same tune last year and telling anyone who would listen that the car was heading to 200k. Fact is it did the exact opposite, and that is purely objective data.

 

+1, you have described the ownership experience to the letter. Thank you. Here's a pic of my terrible monster....
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RufMD I have said it before but I'll repeat myself again:

Your collection is truly admirable. You are blessed. Btw a question if you may, please: How big is your garage? I mean height and the ground.


Have fun everyone, life's short.

 

And I thought I was a car nut. Sweet collection! If you're anywhere near SoCal, I'll trade a ride in your CGT for a ride in my new F430 Spider.

Oh... that's right, no big deal for you (-:

Arnie

 

Arnie, I'll take that trade anytime you want. Don't misconstrue my admiration for the CGT with denigration of all else. I think the F430 spider is a hell of a car, and the open top sound of a Ferrari is a priviledged experience. Congrats on your car, and enjoy it in the best of health. I unfortunately reside far from california's many wonderful roads. One day, when I attend the Monterey festivities (hopefully next year), I plan on shipping a couple of cars out there to enjoy the coastal scenic rides in addition to the many shows in and around PB.

all the best, and thanks

 

Thanks man, I will have to measure up the garage. Its a 4 car garage with two 4 post lifts. Ceiling height allows for easy clearance of the top car....the garage door tracks had to be raised though, but it was no big ordeal. I agree on the blessed part...first and foremost with a wonderful wife and munchkin...thanks for the kind words.

 

Let me know if you're coming this way and I'd be happy to hook up.

Best
Arnie

 

Beautiful collection.

 

I have been actively looking for a CGT for the past month, and I will tell you the prices for 05's are very strong and getting stronger. I know of a 400 mile blk/blk that just sold north of 400k Silver cars are cheaper. I offered 380k for a 600 mile silver / ascot car and I was turned down. The 2 other silver / black cars here in LA, Ca Take 380k and 375k both with under 1kmi. The cars were 50k cheaper last year. I have seen 4 cars sell with under 2k for all over 365k. So if anyone know of a Black car with under 2k please advise!

 

The whole discussion of whether a CGT is up or down 10% is stupid IMO. It is not an investment. 10% one way or the other is irrelevant. The reason to buy a CGT is to experience it - the howl, the brakes, the poise. It is not a Ferrari and that also makes it fun for those of us who are partial to Ferrari. When I bought my CGT I was under no illusions that it might depreciate. But putting 8,000 miles and a lot of stone chips didn't help resale either. I consummed the car and it gave me tremendous value

 

Now THAT's what I call a garage! -- beautiful collection, RufMD!

 

I don't believe I ever said the car was headed toward $200,000.

Regarding its over steer problems here is something you should consider.


http://www.sportscarmarket.com/content/carrera

 

Nick, lay off the spin. The article you quote could be identical for any sports car involved in the same accident. Fact is, the settlement showed the track owners and organizers 89% responsible ? In any settlement, a party will weigh the costs of continued litigation vs a quick payout. in this case, the car manufacturer settled for an 8% payout...no doubt on their lawyers and accountants advice.

As far as the article itself, its interesting that the only person that found his car unsettling to drive was his mechanic ! It could not have been too unsettling though, because he did decide to take it to the track and run it at high speeds when a track marshals error caused a fatal accident.

Maybe to balance things up, I should start posting pics of random F430 fuel fires....but i consider that distasteful and below the belt.

 

the porsche is the best car between the two.. however, being as tall as i am(6'8") i would not buy the porsche because of physical limitations... thank the car gods for the veyron!!! lol