Hamilton Not Interested in Winning by Appeal

If you don't think his father is involved in all the political and financial stuff, I think you are dreaming...yes, LH loves racing the cars, but that is only PART of what a F1 driver has to do. I think LH's father is as big an ****** as RD, Max, or Bernie!

 

I'm NOT saying that LH didn't screw up, he did. I'm just saying part of the blame for his loosing the WDC goes to LH's father, RD, Bernie and Max...

 

Excellent posts, class job.

 

Damon Hill has gone on to the attack against the stewards' decision in Brazil, telling Radio 5 Live that he does not understand the decision.

"Rules are rules," Damon said. "The FIA have found some teams are in breach of the regulations. If this had been something McLaren had done during the season, do you think the FIA would have insisted that their cars were legal or illegal? I think on past performance they're prepared to persecute McLaren for any infringement that they've made this season."

Hill is assuming in his statement that the decision of the stewards was influenced by the FIA, which is rather a dangerous claim as the federation makes much of the independence of the stewards. However Hill does have a point.

"It does get quite difficult to see where the consistency lies because if you go back to the beginning of the season, McLaren's argument is that Ferrari won the very first race using a device which was later found to be illegal by the FIA. They removed it but the result stood. It's very unsettling to have this appeal, but there is so much at stake and the FIA have to find somehow a way of being consistent. I can see how a couple of degrees fuel temperature can be regarded as being so negligible that it wouldn't make any difference but we're talking about such tiny differences all the time in Formula 1, there has to be a line where you're one side or the other.

"You have to say there's no doubt there does sometimes seem to be one rule for Ferrari and another for everyone else."

 

Why would you say that? What did LH's father do other than support his son? Wouldn't your father be there for you? Wouldn't you do that for your son? I'm glad my Dad was there for me for all of my triumphs and difficulties. What makes him an a--hole? I'm sorry, I tried to stay out of this, but any one that calls another man an a--hole for supporting his son, makes me examine my less than stellar behavior and shortcomings as a father.
Lewis made some rookie mistakes and lost the championship. I can tell you are happy about that, but he sure could drive and qualify. He impressed the heck out of me and I will be following his career, just like I did Tiger Wood's.
Bee Jay

 

I don't know why people have issues with Anthony Hamilton, I think most people would love to have a supportive dad like him.

 

Major +1

Anthony is looking out for what is best for his boy. Think about what kind of financial and life changing decisions you were capable of properly making at 22. LH is a fantastic driver, but for all intents and purposes he is still just a kid. Some world-wise guidance will do him well, and his dad is providing that. What kind of contract would he have negotiated with RD by himself? Not the one he has now, you can be damn sure.

 

Whether he is supportive or overbearing is between LH + him,
but he was instrumental in turning McL into a can of worms,
which imploded into all of their faces, on all planes.

His intentions may be good, but his tactics are not exactly admirable.

 

How exactly did he do that?

 

Yes, please explain.

 

Now again I am totally confused.
a) McCheaters said their appeal has nothing to do with Ferrari.
b) they said they admit they got beat fair and square
c) both Ferraris were with perfectly legal fuel temp
d) both Ferraris were waaaayyy ahead of everyone else, so they had no way benefiting from someone elses fuel
LAST but not least, from what I understand, the stewards (not FIA) are saying that the results of the test are inconsistent and inconclusive and therefore they actually DON'T even know if there was anything illegal at all.
Damon HIll was always a sore loser, but I thought he would change a little with time. Apparently not.
What pisses me off is that people like him and most of the british media are creating a really bad image for the british F1 fans.
You know, the few rotten apples..............

 

.hu

The seed that cost them everything. One can go that route,
but one shouldn't be surprized when the sparks start flying.
Expecting Alonso to submit to that type of BS is delusional.

Alonso's serene smile in Brazil was the punctuation mark floating above
the tortured corpse of McL.

Moral of the story for LH and his dad - careful whose grave you're digging.

 

A little less cryptic, please. What inside information do you claim to have that indicts Anthony Hamilton as being the mastermind of Stepneygate? Or, are you suggesting that Hamilton's dad orchestrated the insurrection at Hungary? If so, what facts do you have that would corroborate such claim? I can't think of anything else you could mean.

I agree with the other guys; A.Hamilton is simply supporting his son during a groundbreaking debut in F1. As a dad, I 100% support his efforts.

 

?....that's one heck of a cryptic answer...

 

Do you guys remember how in '99 there were supposedly "Schumi wdc" hats made that went all in the trash. Well in a way it was explainable as it was basically a very risky investment that could have paid pretty well.
However I don't understand what was the british press thinking with this sh!~ before the last two races.
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McCheaters appeal is the most ridiculous thing of the crap they dumped our way.
And the British press should give it a rest together with all the sport illuminate commenting on it.
They jumped the gun with the celebrations and the story of the-year-Hamilton-rookie-champion.
I think that it turned out humiliating for a mag of this caliber to run this on their cover
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Well, Lewis was on the brink of winning the world championship (but he stuffed it).
I don't get how he outwitted opponents off the track (maybe by giving alonso the S**ts)
Well of course it was going to weaken ties between alonso and McLaren, he thought he was going to be the no.1 driver.
I think they are referring to the Fuji incident.

Well after this weekend we found out that GB is not. Italy and Finland are !!!!!!!!

 

LH did in fact manage to make the story of the year.
After all the preferential treatment, help, luck, cheating and lying from his team and FIA moronic decision; After all the hard work and great performances, he somehow managed to piss it all away. That takes a real ......I don't know,..... "talent"?
After all it was him who drowned I think.....
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mastermind of Stepneygate - of course not.
He was instrumental in what happened in .hu - no inside info, it was mentioned
in the media, quite a few times on Fchat - setup++,
and Alonso's punishment.

That set the pieces for the subsequent louder than bombs 'team against Alonso' vitriol from LH.
Obviously Alonso responded. The tit for tat engulfed the entire
team on all levels - with the FIA and nasty rapport between the drivers,
which was key to LH's silliness in Brazil.

F was somewhat lucky - the FIA decision removed the pressure on the WCC
(ditto for McL - but here it aggravated the nasty rapport between the drivers),
and Massa's DNF in Monza set the stage for the collaboration that so contrasted
the vipers' den at McL.

End of story. The guys that worked together won - check that photo from YellowBird - thumbs up++

Brazil was indeed crazy perfect, but LH and his dad 'unconsciously' dug their own grave,
whilst aiming to bury Alonso. That type of opportunity comes once
in a life time, so ... too bad for them, _but_, good intentions or not, it
was their own callous actions which led to a disgraceful conclusion.

 

+1

he/his dad/mcl drowned in their own vomit.

Parallel that with Yellowbird's photo.
Sick.

 

I still don't see how Anthony Hamilton factored, but I think the driver rift at McLaren started WAAAYYY before Hungary. I think it hit full stride in Monaco, where for all intents and purposes Hamilton was told to step aside for Alonso. He went down swinging and incited an investigation by the FIA. I think from that point on, Alonso didn't like Hamilton. Him winning in Canada and Indy only further exacerbated the relationship breakdown as Alonso was getting embarassed by the likes of Takuma Sato. I think, without a doubt, that the tension at McLaren was due to Alonso NOT being treated as the #1 driver from the beginning. In spite of anything Ron Dennis says about "equal drivers", Alonso joined the team expecting to be handled the same way that he was at Renault. He was, after all, the 2X defending WDC. When a rookie was not only allowed to compete evenly with him, but also actually BEAT him in races, it clearly rattled and infuriated him. He did not leave Renault to have to prove himself at McLaren. THAT is Ron Dennis' mistake for signing a guy who he had to know wanted the team built around him.

Conversely, Dennis probably promised Hamilton the chance to openly compete without telling Alonso the same. Hamilton's insurrection was NOT the result of disrespect, but RD's attempt to change the way he said he would run the team. "Qualifying rules" were nothing more than a way to accomodate Alonso's wishes to be treated as #1 driver, and you notice we never heard about them again after Hungary. If Hamilton's dad told him to act up because Dennis wasn't keeping his word, I think he was justified. If he told his son to be diplomatic with the media and try to keep a good front, then even more kudos to him.

The sad thing is that both Alonso and Hamilton have come off as being selfish, immature and self-serving. If you really think about it, both were simply responding to changes being made in how they were told they would be treated as drivers at McLaren. Credit to Dennis for trying to create a "Dream Team" of drivers, but he clearly screwed the pooch by telling each driver two different versions of the team set-up.

 

True, but Kimi and Massa were competing as well. That type of opposition can be constructive.
Undoubtedly nr 1 this and that can create tension within a team, unless the nr 1 demonstrates he is indeed nr 1.
This happened with F, Kimi hasn't demonstrated he's nr 1 throughout the season, and winning
the WDC as he did means 0 in that regard, but they handled it constructively.

The Hamiltons thought the setup they devised for Alonso in .hu was a good idea.
It may work with a spineless person, but they should have known better with Alonso.


>In spite of anything Ron Dennis says about "equal drivers", Alonso joined the team expecting to be handled the same way that he was >at Renault. He was, after all, the 2X defending WDC. When a rookie was not only allowed to compete evenly with him, but also >actually BEAT him in races, it clearly rattled and infuriated him. He did not leave Renault to have to prove himself at McLaren. THAT is >Ron Dennis' mistake for signing a guy who he had to know wanted the team built around him.

Alonso probably felt this, but McL/LH went too far in _openly_ marginalizing him,
officially and in the media which is humiliating - no way Alonso would stand for that.
Bad call.


>The sad thing is that both Alonso and Hamilton have come off as being selfish, immature and self-serving. If you really think about it, >both were simply responding to changes being made in how they were told they would be treated as drivers at McLaren. Credit to >Dennis for trying to create a "Dream Team" of drivers, but he clearly screwed the pooch by telling each driver two different versions >of the team set-up.[/QUOTE]

As mentioned in another post, admiration++ for LH and McL for attempting to transform a monumental dream into reality, but,
that type of approach seldomly succeeds, unless one's adversaries are similarly disjointed.
F was very much the reciprocal of that, and it spelled disaster.

RD seemed wiser than.

 

I think this is a useless comparison...

Farina and Fangio both won 3 races in their rookie seasons with only 7 races instead of 18...

The only real driver you can compare him to is Jacques Villeneuve who also started in a top team, he won 4 races in his rookie year(only 16races back then) and took pole for his 1st race and should of won... He then went to win the title the following year. So we will have to wait and see if Lewis can do that next year.


Anyway back to the issue of what Hamilton said. Im in the "he is saying it to look good for the british press" then actually mean it. He was able to sway RD to give him an equal chance to win the title, but now has no sway to change RD's mind?..... If he really means it, he would do something about it but F1 is all about "talk".

The season has been tainted, for all the issues. McLaren should really let it go.. Just get behind Lewis 110% next year. As Lewis says it would be won on the track. Not in the courts.

 

I think the comparison with Villeneuve is interesting. Villeneuve was great in the 'old' cars without traction control etc, when all the electronic helps were allowed, he quickly went down to the back of the field. Now we have the opposite situation, TC etc will be banned from 2008 on - Hamilton is used to that kind of cars (F3 has comparable eletronic aids IIRC), will be interesting to see how he will do in next season's cars