What's wrong with team orders?

There's no equality within one team by default. Even McLaren have admitted that with their fuel burning fiasco in Hungary. So which one of your drivers gets the advantage of that extra lap in the first race of the season? Flip a coin?

 

The one with the red camera.

 

Didn't he pull the same move in China quali?

 

Yeah, he's got a little parking brake lever on the right side of the cockpit.

 

I thought that Massa would have finished ahead of Kimi without the team orders,
they would have been close, but maybe not quite ahead.
As far as DC:

last 4 races he got: 8 + 3 + 6 + 8 = 25

so four races ago he had - 94 - 25 = 69
add 40 ... he would have taken it on wins but,
it's an insane bet.

 

Austria 2002.

It is one thing to order drivers to hold station at a track like Monaco, that is called team strategy. It is quite another to order one driver to give way for a fabricated finish ala Barrichello and Schumacher. That type of team order simply makes a mockery of the sport.

 

ROFL.

McLaren? "fair and square"?

Riiiiight.

 

But would you be in favor of such a move if it were the last race of the year?

I know Austria was way too early in the season to justify that sort of blatant team oder. But what if Massa moved over for Kimi in an obvious way in Brazil this year?

 

i would agree if that move was for the sake of the championship.

but what i don't agree was :

1) too early in the season for that call

2) common, MS had a massive lead in the WDC standings at that time. that was just wasn't needed. it wasn't a crucial point of the season.

 

There have always been team orders; it just didn't used to be so blatant going back to the 1930s thru 50s...

 

I agree with you about what you don't agree with

 

LoL! nice saying

 

Handing over your car to the #1 driver during the race isn't blatant?

 

I'm probably in the minority, here, but I liked the way the Rubins/Shumi pass was handled. Cover it up in the pits, and you'll have people arguing that "Massa was too slow in traffic, so Kimi passed him". If the driver did well, give him credit, even if you have to take the win away for the sake of team points.

My objection to that specific pass was the questionable need for Shumi to get any help, when he clearly had a dominant car -- only a massive disaster could have kept that championship away from him.

 

Good point, but there will always be people that would argue that MS could have passed him,
but wasn't trying bks the move was already planned. Ditto for the Massa/Kimi pass
or even holding positions.


"It is mad to say that Reubens was 'winning fair and square'. Both drivers were under team orders not to race each other from very early on in the race. Reubens wasn't giving up _his_ first place, he was giving up the place that the Ferrari team was allowing him to have by instructing Michael not to race. The race would have been just a much a fix if Reubens had been allowed to win it.
Mick, UK"


callaides:
"Raikkonen could have passed Felipe on lap one, and admitted to not pushing hard in the first stint because they had it planned the whole time. People seem to think Massa could have won in Brazil, but we'll never know will we? Oh, nevermind. Kimi set fastest lap about 10 laps from the checkered flag didn't he?"