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Helix 10W60 vs Castrol European Formula (GC) 0W30 in the Enzo

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by AEHaas, Oct 29, 2007.

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  1. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
    1,465
    Osprey, Florida
    Full Name:
    Ali E. Haas
    #1 AEHaas, Oct 29, 2007
    This is my neighbor’s 2003 Ferrari Enzo with a total of 8,800 miles on the left column and my 2003 Enzo with a total of 3,000 miles on the right column. Both cars had 1,400 miles on the oil. His obviously had more break-in time. He had the oil changed by the Ferrari dealer using the required 10W60 Shell Helix Ultra Racing oil. I ran 0W30 Castrol GC.

    The recommended interval is 5,000 miles, less if on the track. This is strictly off track use in town and on the highway, probably 50-50 for his car and 90 percent city for me.

    His oil was tested by: www.youroil.net while I got the full, total evaluation from Terry Dyson at www.dysonanalysis.com
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    _____________Shell....GC
    Iron___________ 32...11
    Chromium _____<1...0
    Nickel _________ 2...1
    Aluminum ______11...3
    lead __________ 16...0
    Copper ________25...8
    Tin ___________<1...0
    Silver ________<.1...0
    Titanium ______<1...0
    Silicon _________ 7...3
    Boron __________ 1...3
    Sodium ________ 8...3
    Potassium ____<10...0
    Molybdenum __ <5...1
    Phosphorus __1026...935
    Zinc ________ 1135...1228
    Calcium _____ 1454...1671
    Barium _______<10...0
    Magnesium ___1219...526
    Antimony _____<30...0
    Vanadium _____<1...0
    Fuel %Vol _____<1...1.2
    Abs Oxid ______34...10
    Abs Nitr _______11...8
    Wtr %vol ______<0.1...KF=247 “nice dry fluid”
    Vis CS 100C __ 15.8...11.8
    Vic CS 40C___not done...66
    SAE Grade _ ___40...30
    Gly test ______NEG...0.37 “not antifreeze”
    TBN _________not done...7.9

    The next oil going in is Renewable Lubricants 0W30. It is even thinner than the GC.


    aehaas
     
  2. Ferraripilot

    Ferraripilot F1 World Champ
    Owner Project Master

    May 10, 2006
    17,920
    Atlanta
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    John!
    #2 Ferraripilot, Oct 29, 2007
    Although I am a novice at reading oils, that looks to me like your oil has little to no wear. Incredible. I wonder why Ferrari is not changing their factory pours. You know something they don't, or vice versa.
     
  3. Kingair33

    Kingair33 Formula Junior

    Aug 28, 2006
    941
    San Francisco, CA
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    Alex
    #3 Kingair33, Oct 29, 2007
    To be truly scientific shouldn't you have had them tested at the same location? Your results do look like your oil is considerably different however. Anyone know a webpage with an explanation of oil results?
     
  4. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
    1,465
    Osprey, Florida
    Full Name:
    Ali E. Haas
    #4 AEHaas, Oct 29, 2007
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  5. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
    1,465
    Osprey, Florida
    Full Name:
    Ali E. Haas
    #5 AEHaas, Oct 29, 2007
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  6. Kingair33

    Kingair33 Formula Junior

    Aug 28, 2006
    941
    San Francisco, CA
    Full Name:
    Alex
    #6 Kingair33, Oct 29, 2007
    Very cool, thank you Ali.
     
  7. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

    May 21, 2005
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    Mr. Sideways
    #7 No Doubt, Oct 29, 2007
    Overall it looks good. As expected in *most* categories you are getting less wear and having more of the good additives survive by using the lighter oil for city driving.


    I would be curious to learn if re-using the same GC oil for your next 1400 miles, but switching to a synthetic fiber crush ring instead of a copper oil drain crush ring would change that copper wear particles number, however.


    Another oil test that would be cool, if impractical, would be to use the same type oil but squirt starter fluid into the air intake so that the engine "caught" sooner...for every start in between an oil change.

    Ditto for the even more difficult test of "misting" each cylinder with Lucas upper cylinder lube (or Marvel Mystery Oil) prior to each start. For that matter, just using Lucas upper cylinder lube as an additive in the *fuel* tank would be interesting to see on the oil analysis after a full set of miles between an oil change.

    Well, might take many, many years before anyone does all of those tests!
     

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