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"Big Brother is watching"

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  1. JOEA2

    JOEA2 Formula 3

    Feb 2, 2006
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    I received the following. I thought I would share it.
    New York State started a pilot program upstate north of Albany on the Northway to catch speeders using the Easy Pass system. Recording devices were installed at intervals along the highway. Once an Easy Pass equipped vehicle passes, the device registers the account number and the time., Same is again registered at the next "check-point". Based upon the distance between the register points and the posted speed limit, the state is sending speeding tickets in the mail to the guilty persons.

    Because every driver does not have Easy Pass, the State is "perplexed" as what to do to impose the system state-wide. The solution has been found. Soon all new vehicle registration stickers will have a metal strip or chip imbedded in same. This will take the place of the Easy Pass system as stated above. When a vehicle passes the registering device, the strip will relay all the information.

    This is not fictional. New York State contracted with VERIZON to install the system. The system has already been installed and the entire Bronx River Parkway in Westchester County has been "wired" for when the new system begins. Once the State makes the new program public and advises all motorists of the potential for numerous speeding tickets, it will also reveal that the system has already been installed.

    Another reason that will be given for the new system is to enable the authorities to track stolen vehicles, to trace kidnap victims, to monitor and trace suspected criminals and terrorists, etc.

    BIG BROTHER IS ALIVE AND WELL.

    Pass this along to every one you know.

    It was bound to happen sooner or later.
     
  2. LAMBOJOE

    LAMBOJOE F1 Rookie

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  3. idloveaguinness

    idloveaguinness Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    How soon will it be in the registration stickers? Don't these things need batteries to function? I suspect that it's not that soon, but who knows.

    As far as the EZ pass is concerned, can't you escape this by putting your tag inside that reflective bag, except when going through tolls? You could also choose to use cash on the toll areas with less backup, no?

    On another chilling note, the husband of a woman that works for me programs OBD systems for Ford.....he is in the process of working out transmitting OBD systems that can broadcast engine and wheel speed, emissions(!) and other information about the car. It uses these road-side receivers as discussed below. Link that up with a GPS and talk about BIG BROTHER!!!
     
  4. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    F*cking A, then why don't they just drive the damn cars for us!
    This is going to be a lot more nerve racking than looking for radar/laser.
    I don't speed in the sense that I go a lot faster than anyone else on the road. Usually I'm 3-5 MPH slower than the rabbits and in synch with the general flow with the traffic.
    This method has worked with the state police since, forever. But I'm usually not going 65 in a 65 zone, more like 75.
    With this approach I expect everyone over 67 will get a ticket. Especially once the politicos see the cash pouring in.

    People may not realize it yet but this is just as stupid an idea as the illegal alien drivers license scheme.

    Impeach Spritzer!
     
  5. Simba

    Simba Formula Junior

    Oct 24, 2006
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    New York
    They'd likely be using passive RFID tags, so, no. The transmitter powers the chip when it's in range.

    As such, not really that difficult to find out what frequency it's listening on and broadcast your own happy-fun noise, or just block it with some foil.

    Or, you could just pull off and have a coffee before the toll. :p

    By the way, what's the source on this? I tend to believe in the three-source rule before I buy into anything.
     
  6. JOEA2

    JOEA2 Formula 3

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    They appear to be doing it in random locations. We'll need a list!
     
  7. Simba

    Simba Formula Junior

    Oct 24, 2006
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    New York
    Where's the info coming from? I just got a new reg sticker yesterday, and there's nothing different about it. This could just be an urban legend.
     
  8. veryfast355

    veryfast355 Karting

    Sep 24, 2007
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    Either pay cash at the first toll and cover your ez pass with foil or stick a magnet behind the registration sticker -this should disable it. Alternatively redline as you pass through and because you have an F car it will be too fast to register anything !!!
     
  9. DodgeViper01

    DodgeViper01 F1 Veteran

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    I have heard about a system like this but many had no idea about it because the details were sparce. Looks like it is in full swing. At least you can not get points for it.
     
  10. LAMBOJOE

    LAMBOJOE F1 Rookie

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    buddy your horse is wayyyyy to slow :D lmao
     
  11. r34dy2fly

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    lame..... but if i remember correctly, arent Ford and GM installing a "black box" to their vehicles thatll do the same thing on their upcoming models?
     
  12. ssquid

    ssquid Karting

    Oct 14, 2006
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    The newly activated signs on Long Island's Northern State Parkway
    '12 minutes, 14 miles to highway 231' are based on reading passing
    EZ Pass tags. Northern California's 511.org explains a similar system in place
    for several years:

    How does the Driving Times feature work?
    This new feature is made possible by combining the existing Caltrans data collection system with a new system that MTC is developing with the help of FasTrak™ customers. The Caltrans system embeds pairs of metal loops into the pavement of certain freeways. These loops are able to determine when a vehicle passes over them. By measuring the time it takes for a vehicle to go between two loops, the system can determine the speed of traffic at that point. Travel times can then be estimated from the speed data.

    The new system that MTC is developing uses small antennas over freeways to read FasTrak™ toll tags (the small devices typically installed on car windshields). When a car with a FasTrak™ toll tag drives by an antenna, the system detects the presence of the toll tag. Unlike the antennas at the toll plazas, the antennas installed for 511 will not cause the toll tags to beep, so there will be no annoying noises for drivers. The 511 system immediately scrambles the toll tag's identification number in order to protect personal privacy. When the car passes the next 511 antenna, the system again detects the toll tag, and again scrambles its number, using the same process. By averaging the travel times of all vehicles over a certain period, the system can calculate the average travel time and speed.

    Will my privacy be protected?
    Yes. MTC and Caltrans both guarantee that FasTrak™ users will remain anonymous. Encryption software scrambles each FasTrak™ toll tag ID number before any other processing happens; the set of scrambled IDs are discarded every day; and the encryption code is changed every day. No historical database of the encrypted IDs is maintained. No one involved in 511 will ever have access to the FasTrak™ ID number or any personal information related to the toll tag. None of the information collected for Driving Times can ever be associated with a specific FasTrak™ account. Because of these protections, 511 cannot be used to issue traffic tickets or otherwise "track" users.

    http://traffic.511.org/faq.asp#f42

    Of course, you may be more comfortable with an 'in the event of enforcement access to 511 data,
    all penalties will be paid and served by the prosecution' clause.
     
  13. noahlh

    noahlh Formula 3

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    Huge red flag. I've read enough Internet rumors to know how to spot them. "This is not fictional" is always a giveaway for something that is either a) fictional or b) unclear. Also, Verizon is a phone company, not an RFID company -- they have nothing to do with the EZPass system as far as I know. Second red flag -- throw around "big company" names like the big, scary phooooone company and people will believe it more.

    Of course, this may very well all be true, but I'm just pointing out that this has all the classic urban legend signs....

    nlh
     
  14. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Good point but even if it isn't true then you know it's coming. I'm not sure the RFID can be read at high speed though it certainly can be read at a toll booth.

    Bob S.
     
  15. buzzm2005

    buzzm2005 Formula 3

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    It's all about the Benjamins.

    EZ Pass and the eastern network were talked about for 10 years. A large NY retail bank came up with a simple idea for financing the project: profit sharing on a structured deal for credit card float. They arranged the up-front costs (loans) and helped plan the ongoing conversion and installation in exchange for a percentage of the float from the EZ Pass balances. In part, NYC MetroCard was paid for exactly the same way.

    If an analysis shows that profit can reliably be made by auto-fining speeders then it will happen. Period. Never mind the new stuff: there's enough infrastructure on the NJ Turnpike already to snag cars exceeding the speed limit. Toll-to-toll distance divided by time.

    Politically unpopular, though, because most soccer moms in minivans also drive 70+.

    I wish they had a scanner for 70+ with coffee in one hand and cell phone in the other and the radio at 70dB in a 15 year old car with little to no servicing.
     
  16. jptyke

    jptyke Formula 3

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    damn them! :)
     
  17. steveGTO

    steveGTO Karting

    Oct 22, 2006
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    wow, he's right it was bound to happen sooner or later. a shame tho because i usually drive upwards of 100 on the beltway and going to the beach. i guess next year will be the last time i drive fast to the beach. NOT. who cares. i will just rip off the stickers and not inspect my car.
     
  18. ctC230K

    ctC230K Karting

    May 4, 2005
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    glad i don't live in ny! and when i go to the city i only hit 1 toll at most.
     

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