This epic battle is as old as time itself. Well, almost! Each marque wins some and loses some, hence the phrase, "There's always next year." Image Unavailable, Please Login
Seriously? That is interesting information (no sarcasm intended).. I always thought that the new Corvette (covered headlight look), looked more like the Ferrari 360 Modena introduced in 1999...
I now understand why the prodrive ferrairs got less than zero (if that's possible) support beating the corvette.
Mark, Thanks for the history on the GM-FIAT Deal. It makes some kind of sense, after reading it. The European Market will get the small Diesels, when, if ever, will the North American Market, see them? I hope soon!!! The Premium Group, with Cadillac, SAAB, and Corvette as an INDEPENDENT, unto itself, is interesting. Lot's of things to think about. Ciao...Paolo
Amazing! Assuming Ferrari gives technology to Vette they were not listening. Vettes are using crappy claw type brake calipers, 20 padlet front brakes, transverse leaf springs, wet sumps and crap for cooling, marginally adjustable suspensions etc... Maybe Ferrari gave then bad info to screw them up but it backfired?
Total cost of ownership = Vette Price vs performance = Vette Depreciation loss = Vette (Ferrari 360 and 430 lose an ENTIRE VETTE in value!) Street/Track car = Vette Of course the above comments are given performance first and then factored in cost to run/operate as a factor. Ask those CF brake guys what they spend to replace those puppies. And why do you need CF brakes for street use????? Oh, they look cool... and ?????? Then again for about $25k you can easily buy a proper track car (Formula Continental) that will handily beat a modern Ferrari at the track... and for $80k you can not only beat a 430, you can do circles around it (Radical). But yeah, i too was a Tifosi Fanboy clouded in the Red Mist... As for F1, am glad Ferrari participates as it keeps the legend alive.
They may have won the Championship this year but their creditors may pull the plug in 08 and Chevy is no more. Now Ferrari may not have won the GT3 Championship but has actually made a few bucks profit while Chevy/GM lost Billions. I wonder how much of a party they can afford to celebrate? Pigs in a blanket. Everybody gets one with their glass of water
Well...not quite my friend. 360 Spider bought in 2001 at $180,000, value today $170,000, 6 year ownership with $10,000 depreciated. (7% loss) Corvette bought in 2001 at $60,000, value today $20,000, 6 years of ownership with $40,000 depreciation (60% loss) 430 Spider bought in 2005 at $220,000, value today $270,000, 2 years of ownership with a $50,000 net gain (20% gain) Corvette bought in 2005 at $60,000, value today ...yeah, exactly. hey, I just bought a FC as well Gotta try it once right
I just sold my C6Z06. You're right, it's a great deal for the money. The punchline in every conversation was that it was cheap. A Big Mac is a great amount of calories for the money too. I just got tired of eating at McDonalds.
Racing is racing. E-peen jousting on the internets doesn't change that. Grats to the boys in Bowties.
Are you talking list price for the Ferraris? What would be the depreciation of you paid the going rate for a used Ferrari in the same time frame? I recall 360 coupes going for over $200K when they first hit the market, now I see them them as low as $120K.
This year Ferrari lost out to the vettes but how many years has it taken Chevrolet to make a Corvette that is competitive? How many years has Ferrari won? Ferrari consistently wins and has for a long time.... Corvettes winning is a sporadic event, kind of like the rockies going to the world series.
Gee...I only stated fact. People get kinda hurt if Ferrari looses heaven forbid. Anyway, The thread was about a race title and vette did win. Vette has been dominant in many forms of racing. I really only watch F1 but there is GT1 where vette dominates. Some say they have no competition there well that is not their fault.
After more than 60 years of (uninterupted) racing, and after winning more than 5000 victories, Ferrari has proven it can go the distance. When Ford went up against Ferrari in the 1960's, according to Carroll Shelby Ford spent close to $2billion developing the GT40 and running the program. At the same time, Ferrari was broke. Ferrari was taking engines apart after races, knocking out liners and pistons, and swapping then with smaller or larger bores, or swapping crankshafts to alter displacement to field the cars (P3/4) on different tracks to build better points standing. For example, a 3.3 liter might be enough to win at some particular track, but the smaller engine would garner more points for Ferrari. At least that has been my impression of why they did it. One might ask, and rightfully so, why didnt Ferrari have a battery of different engines to choose from? Because they couldnt afford to cast more! If I recall, someone wrote that Ferrari only built 11 engine blocks for those cars. Ferrari were running on fumes, barely able to build 7 cars, and took on Ford with those 7 cars with only 11 engines. And while Ford got a big kick out of (finally) beating Ferrari at LeMans, Ferrari still won the WDC and WCC in prototype racing. So Ford can brag all they want. Ferrari stood their ground against Fords billions, and Ferrari can stand their ground today against GM's billions. Remember, Ford couldnt even build a competitive racing car capable of beating Ferrari. They gave up and sent the works over to england where the entire machine was started over from the ground up. I will admit I dont follow GT3 racing much, but I would be greatly surprised if GM has any real direct involvement in the program other than writing checks. At least a Ferrari is usually ALL Ferrari, and you always know who built it. GM winning one tiny championship, or Ferrari losing to them is no skin off my butt. I still will prefer any Ferrari in my garage over ANY Vette. But I will admit, its good to see GM trying. As to the argument regarding engine displacement, it is a bit unfair to be comparing a 7 liter engine to a 4.3 liter. Yet the 4.3 seemed to hold its own very well in most cases. I can sleep comfortably with the opinion that if the racing were run with all competitors running the same engine displacement, say 4.5 liters, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Mixing 8 liter Vipers and 7 liter Chevys with small bore cars, and having the small bore cars right on thier a$$es through the whole season is pretty hilarious when you think about it. I seriously would like to see 3 liter limits on this series, that would really seperate the wheat from the chaff in a hurry.
I haven't posted here yet. I just regularly check out de pic threads. I do feel the need however to add some info to this thread to put things in perspective. 2007 FIA-GT championship GT1 1 Vitaphone Racing Team Maserati MC12 2 Scuderia Playteam Sarafree Maserati MC12 3 Jetalliance Racing Aston Martin DBR9 GT2 1 AF Corse Motorola Ferrari F430 2 BMS Scuderia Italia Porsche 911 GT2 3 Scuderia Ecosse Ferrari F430 The Italians didn't do to badly in this years GT racing.
Great Guys! They have a very cool line of clothing that goes with the car that is available to the general public... Check out their website... Thomas Biagi is one great driver!!
You did better than most, that is for sure! Umm... you kinda forgot about the PVOM so you lost about 23% value from 2001 to 2007 Congrats!!! If you are like me, after a few track days with the FC your Ferrari basically gatheres dust from then on. Saw no point in driving a Ferrari on the street... or track when you got an FC in your arsenal. Who's FC did you buy? i assume you are going to race it in SCCA? Ok, so you are Cav Motors, but really, these little $20k cars are friggen loads of fun and sooooo easy to fix and keep going. i figure 1 more years of FC and then time to move to F1k or ??.
You forgot to ad d the depreciation for the 5 used Ferraris and the one or tow new Maseratis you had to buy to build a relationship with the dealer so you can buy at list.
