McLaren Tells the Truth.....Finally

busted... thats all i have to say

 

I find some ironic humor in all this that McLaren needed to resort to information gathering at all. If they were such the great designers and innovators, they would have no need to copy Ferrari designs. I think it speaks volumes that they felt they could not develop better ideas on their own.

 

Really!!
Ferrari have been at this since the 1950's, Mclaren have been doing this less than half that time,I think there respective win /championship totals are pretty even, and all modern road going Ferrari's owe there ABS/ASR, engine, airbag, etc etc electronics to Mercedes and Bosch, so dont go deluding yourself that Ferrari, are a bunch of engineering giants.

 

I smell a troll .............. when was the last time you saw a racecar with airbags, ABS/ASR

and the Lord of Darkness, Lucas has contributed to Bosch's bottomline more than anyone else

if Ferrari are so stupid how come they are in cahoots with NASA in a technology exchange program (or they were)

btw McL have been around a lot longer than you give them credit for (founded in '63 and under Lucifer's control since '81 with 8 WCC and 11 WDC)

 

I hope they are not excluded.

One penalty possibly worthy of doing: force them to add 200lbs somewhere on the car, that's what I've seen done in
other forms of motorsports where you cannot fine the competitors money (because they don't HAVE any money to give up).

 

I don't think that's the case at all.

If I am working on a project, and it's coming along fine, but a co-worker plops a good solution in my lap, I'll take it and develop it, and dump my own project. I don't think it's a case of being 'stuck' on anything.
As much as I love Ferrari, I'm still having a pretty tough time believing that, for all of the resources available to them, both in money and knowledge, that Honda and Toyota cannot get their act together. That just amazes me. Maybe Honda needs Rick Hendrick to run the show, look what he built from nothing. And where is Petty Enterprises and the Wood Brothers today ? Not the biggest nascar fan, but just trying to add perspective.

 

Mr Moretti, dont fight it its ok I posted earlier last week I thought RD was less than forthcoming. Viewers here shot back that I called him a name, that was never in my post, and I lived in fantasyland. Yeah, got it! The fantasy came true.
They are amazingly silent here. Thats quite funny actually to see the RD defenders and pontificators, label me and others who simply have a different opinion, proven very correct now though.
I based mine on the interview Max did with Formula1.com( not such a stupid person now eh?) who said he felt after knowing RD for over 40yrs that he wasnt giving him the whole picture. NONE of us know RD like MAX!!!
Max is no saint but RD has ZERO credibility as does Whitmarsh or even FA. Id like to add the test team and Pedro and LH since he is on the team and for me there is no way in hades he didnt know something(LH), something was goin on.

 

Why?

This is quite strange, as Flavio was one of the more active supporters of the split away series. I think that everybody has forgotten that now, there is a lot of money to earn and no time for regrets.

 

Psk, take a chill pill mate.

The difference between those cases you mention and this one, is.. that here the info was giving from a Ferrari employee to a Mclaren employee with the intent of cheating and using it. The other cases was FORMER employes being hired by their new teams and taking some info with them. Thats not spionage nor cheating. But this was not what happened in this case. You have a weird view on motorsport. Yeah its a business? So what, doesn't take anything away from the racing as lons as people play by the rules.

 

Actually I think paddle shifters would be incredibly cool and helpful in any sports car for the same reason they are useful in F1 cars. Problem is, that the version you get in your Ferrari (or any other sports car) is not like the one in F1 cars: The paddle shifters are anchored to the steering column and hence don't move along with the steering wheel (in a F1 they move with the wheel). Thereby negating the biggest advantage: Shifting through corners.

I believe that was a compromise some bozo lawyers suggested to prevent folks from shifting through corners. Somebody might loose the back end and get hurt and sue.

 

Yes, but the steering wheel in road car can rotate more than 360º.

 

So what?

I remember vividly when I was driving a Gallardo in earnest and came up to a hairpin turn. Couldn't shift until I was out of the turn again with the steering wheel straight again. Utter nonsense and radically different from the F1 I drove last summer.

 

Yes, but in a Formula 1 car the hands are always on the wheel; in a road car that´s not possible, because sometimes you have to turn the steering wheel more than 180º to take some hairpins, on when driving in traffic.

I think that I prefer the paddles like in a F1 instead than the current method that Ferrari or BMW use, but I can understand their logic.

 

Will Ferrari be sponsoring Mclaren Mercedes in 2008 ?

 

...hehehehhhheeeeee...at least Ferrari should get some money from McLaren sponsors, or at least, several boxes of Johnie Walker for the entire team and production plant for Christmas!!!

 

I didn't say Ferrari where stupid, just not the be all and end all as some would like to think
There are some exceptional people working in all the teams in F1. I am well aware of when Mclaren where originaly founded, but under there current ownership (since 81 as you state) they have been at the top of the game.
ASR ie traction control just got banned, ABS was on the cars in the 90's, and as soon as they can get the airbags to deploy quickly enough in a race car without knocking the drivers head off, you know Max will have them on the cars.

 

Now we know for sure how they got from mid-pack to the front row in one year.

 

Mcl should simply have to put one of these on each side pod (14" tall) for the next two years in lieu of sponsers stickers. Then let em race and be done with it.
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'Dennis fighting for his McLaren life'
Friday 14th December 2007

Ron Dennis is reportedly 'fighting for his Formula One life' after McLaren's stunning apology to the FIA over the Stepneygate crisis.


The judgement of the McLaren boss has been called into question after the team admitted in a grovelling public statement that 'Ferrari information was more widely disseminated within McLaren than was previously communicated.'


The announcement is a huge blow to the team's hopes of winning the world title next year with the Daily Mail suggesting, 'They must now go back to the drawing board in an incalculable setback three months before the start of the season.'


However, with the FIA already calling for the scheduled WMSC meeting into the legality of McLaren's 2008 charger to be cancelled, it is Dennis who could suffer the most.


'The developments make a mockery of Dennis' emotional defence at Silverstone in July. Fighting back tears, he said: 'I live and breathe this team. And there is no way anything incorrect has taken place here.'


'That now looks a hasty remark, made after an all-too brief internal inquiry. Otherwise, it was a premeditated cover-up. Either way, Dennis - the proudest man in the paddock - could pay with his job, which has made him a personal fortune of more than £100m,' says the Mail.


Perhaps significantly, the letter of the apology to the FIA was signed by Martin Whitmarsh, the team's Chief Operating Officer, rather than Dennis.


END OF PLANET F1 ARTICLE

Time to retire, Mr. Dennis?

 

Would be nice to see him leave.

 

IMHO the Mail and Planet F1 are both rags. When it comes out on Autosport or PitPass I'll take note. You might as well be reading US Weekly or the Enquirer.

 

Agreed on Honda and Toyota ... almost seems embarrassing for them. During the Schumacher era, it seemed at times to be Michael vs. Adrian Newey, rather than whomever happened to be sitting in the other car. A great driver can overcome a small level of car deficiency, though a merely good driver never will accomplish that.

I suppose the question now might be whether Kimi is one of the greats, or whether the 2007 Ferrari was one of the greats. Massa certainly did quite well, which in some ways might speak more of the car than the driver. In the situation of McLaren, I would consider Alonso one of the greats in driving, yet it seems that perhaps his McLaren was not all it could have been. Anyway, lots of speculation and thoughts on my part, but that's why we are here at Ferrari Chat on this thread.

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Not a question to me.

 

The thing that gets me is: Ok get rid of Ron fair enough he didnt do his job well enough for some , by that I mean he let spying go on under his nose ,let his drivers infight ,should have let FA have #1 status,etc.

But if it wasn't for him and his drivers , IMO last season would have been totally Sh't. Apart for Kimi winning which Karma took care of anyway.

 

You are aware that they won 10 races in 2005, are you not? Are you curious how Ferrari suddenly went from midpack in 2005 to frontrunners in 2006? McLaren had a subpar year in 2006 just as Ferrari had one in 2005. Why would you be surprised that they became competitive in 2007, they are always competitive. 2006 was the aberration, not 2007.