F430 Scud Vs. F40

Well, remember Fiorano was set up differently in the late 80's and was a slower, tighter track. Throw some new tires on the F40 and look out....


Also the F40 has 478 HP....

 

Its not HP that makes a car quick, its torque, and the F40 has gobs of it .. And its not fair to say the F430 has a better suspension and handling, IMO it doesn't. On the track my Exige has the best suspension I've driven of any road car, and the F40 is just as good as the exige. How many of these comments are from armchair enthusiasts that read too many car magazines and how many that actually drive them?

 

Interesting. I agree, I'd rather have the F40 (much better looking, proven modern classic, landmark car -- capstone to the whole 308/288 GTO/328 era, and the Enzo Ferrari era actually -- and prices are heading up).

But, I'd guess (haven't been in or seen one apart from magazine pics) you could drive a Scud all day with some level of comfort, and with all the technology help do quite well lapping the track. The F40's kind of a beast.

It is amazing, though, how good the F40 was 21 years ago, and how we're still having this discussion.

 

Its quite amusing to see who has driven an f40 and who has not by their comments posted here.

 

These threads are always fascinating because they attempt to compare uncomparable things. Firstly, I agree with whomever said that most people passing an opinion in this thread have not driven an F40, and certainly almost no one here has driven a a 430 Scud. So that makes those opinions as worthy as last week's losing lottery ticket.

There is a segment of the population, especially here on FChat, that believes that 0-60 acceleration times and HP numbers are the acme of defining a car.
Nothing could be less relevant, especially when it comes to experiencing an iconic supercar like the F40. It is so different from any other driving experience available out there, Ferrari or not. It is a brute of car, with zero creature comforts (except for possibly the most efficient AC system ever installed in a Ferrari!!), that grabs you by the throat and has a direct switch to the adrenaline system of your brain. It makes you feel terrified and exhilarated at the same time. It is absolutely unique. I have a CS and an F50, and several other very fast cars. They are all variations on a theme, but essentially fast predictable cars. I'm sure the Scud will be more of the same, more refined, faster transmission, wonderful electronic aids etc etc. What it won't be is an F40.
Nothing else will be an F40. It is fitting that the market recognizes this and has made F40 much more valuable than a new Scud will sell for. And that, as they say in the classics, is that.

 

I think it would ultimately come down to whos the better driver who would win the race. I have see people with the "better performance car" get slaugtered by something thats suppose to be slower all because they couldn't drive to save their lives.

But I wouldn't doubt the power of an old F40 one bit that car is still very fast even in todays standards it damn fast for being nearly 20 years old so it wouldn't suprize me to see that it could see hold its own against anything new. Just as long as the pilot permits that possiblitly.

 

Time to get an F40 Alex.

 

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Doh!

I was just thinking was it an F40 you dont have, or an Enzo....................then I saw this post.

Sorry mate, I had a big shift last night at work. Still a little tired.

 

Can I have the F50? you have the F-40 and challenge car already, come on you don't need an F-50 just sitting their collecting dust.

 

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They certainly don't collect dust and yes you can have the F50, and the F40 for that matter. There's just a small question of funds being wired into my account......

 

Alex I think this is due in large part to car mags and online sites like http://www.fastestlaps.com. For those not familiar with this popular site, it allows you to pick two cars and get a comparison. If you compare Ferrari CS and F40, it will say "Ferrari 360 CS is a bit faster". You and I both own stradales and I think thats a bunch of hogwash, but lets forget that for the moment. Now compare Carrera GT and F40, it will say "Ferrari F40 is a bit faster". So if the Stradale is a bit faster than the F40, and the F40 is a bit faster then the CGT, then we can deduce the Stradale is a bit faster than the Carrera GT?! Yeah, right. But if you run that comparo the answer is "Porsche Carrera GT is noticeably faster". The process is flawed.

Futhermore, the lap times are entirely subjective unless they are by the same driver on the same day. Things like driver, weather, temperature, track maintenance (resurfacing, reworking of dangerous corners) all make a big difference. The F430 Scuderia lap time on Fiorano was done by Michael Schumacher? Does anybody think they could drive anything, including a Mac F1, and even come close to MS? So could we then conclude the F430 Scuderia has better performance than a McLaren f1? Thats just silly.

Lap times show what a car is capable of, but not necessarily the absolute maximum.

Oh, and if you ever decide to sell that F50, it MUST go to an owner with similar siblings, so it doesn't get too homesick

 

I have an F40 with Brembo big brakes, 18" Kinesis and sports exhaust. I made these simple reversible modifications to get the most out of a fantastic chassis with the most engaging steering I have experienced on any car. I will be getting a 430S and I had a 430C. I spend a lot of time at the track. It is beyond stupid to compare an F40 with a 430S. The F40 will no doubt be comparatively slow and agricultural but offers timeless sensory pleasure. The 430S will have its' days in the sun until the F60 is released and then it too will start to look compromised in one way or the other. The advances in technology are relentless. Look how the 599 F1 Superfast1 made the CS transmission look primitive.

It is valid to compare the 430S with its' peers such as the 997 GT3RS (which I also have) or the Super Leggara. Track able road cars are a relatively small group and the approaches are interesting.

I will keep my F40 for a very long time and I will keep my 430S for about 2 years...

 

Hang on a second.

While I normally completely agree with this argument (and nearly everything 410SA says!), in this circumstances, I would suggest you go back and check the original post. The original poster did not ask for opinions as to which vehicle was better, nor did he ask which has the better driving experience. He was simply wondering about the on-paper numbers for the 430 Scuderia versus the F40. Inevitably, people chimed in with their opinions, but that apples-to-oranges comparison was not the intent of this thread. For all we know, he owns and competitively tracks F40 and is considering a 430 Scuderia as a replacement and wants to know if it'll be faster around a track.

As a general statement, I agree with your above post. People comparing the two vehicles thinking that because the 430 Scuderia is faster, it will be better miss the point completely. But this isn't one of 'these threads.'

 

I appreciate the comment and I understood the original intent of the thread, but whenever you put a "versus" between two cars, it devolves into a very narrow back on forth of 0-60 times and horsepower.

It is very difficult to get objective information in a case like this and I also don't really get that anyone can consider replacing an F40 with a modern production car. I guess if you were in the sport competitively and were seeking the best and fastest car it would be valid, but for someone who tracks an F40 as a hobby, the 430 will be dreadfully boring. Wonderfully competent, but dull as dishwater compared to the rawness and unpredictability of the F40 if you miscalculate a shift or ease off the gas at the wrong moment. That's my point here. Not that one is better or worse, but that the F40 cannot really be compared to anything else, always IMVHO.

 

I strongly agree! It always does seem to come to that. I just wanted you (and everyone) to remember that while this discussion may have come to a '430 Scuderia vs. F40, which is better' opinion battle, all it started out as was a 430 Scuderia vs. F40 'track times' inquiry. That comparison, regardless of how comparable (or incomparable) the cars are, is indeed an interesting comparison, for the very reason Hexnut72 just stated: it really is surprising to see how much higher the performance threshold has been raised and continues to be raised as the years go on.

 

Agree but there is no need to go back to an F40 as a benchmark. The 599 rendered the 575HGTC a classic car. The shifting and Dephi and aluminium monocoque are just that much superior. The 996 GT3RS is a primitive sled compared with the 997 GT3RS.

 

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This is .....?

The F-40 has everything ever built, beat hands-down on "Cool-Points" alone. A second here, or pound here or there, who cares? The F-40 is near/over 20 years old. It took this long to build a comparable F-Car (stats-wise) to beat the F-40? Sh___________-T! Doesn't speak well of the marquee does it?

I have had the privilege over the years to see five F-40's at speed on the open road (German Autobahn) where they truly live and breathe. Nothing compares, except the Concord (which I have also seen), and that is retired too. The F-40 was the last "driver's car" Ferrari. Everything else "drives for you;" you don't drive it.

The new Ferraris have become exactly what we older folks chastised Porsche for being. Lost its heart and soul for technological perfection.

Progress? Faster? And at what cost? Simple; Bye bye, Ferrari. You are history.

I'll pass on ANY Ferrari made after the F-40. Not my $; no way. Give me the Countach if I cannot have the F-40 (they are much cheaper anyway).

But consider the source. I am a dino. I'll never change and I'll die off as all dinos do. You will become a dino too as it is all relative. The Ferrari F918 (9 liters, 18 cylinders) will rule the roost someday and you too will be singing my song. I promise.

Remember: Youth, energy and enthusiasm are NO MATCH, for old age, wisdom and treachery.

Beat the F-40...? NEVER.

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