Bob Norwood is building the P4 again.

Welcome, officially, to FerrariChat, Tim .... at last !!

Hadn't seen some of those photos - not at least the first one, anyway. You been 'holding out' on me ?? Only joking !!

 

Tim,

Thanks for the post, looks like a fun shop there. What are those interesting looking mockup header tubes made of?

 

Funnily enough, I asked Tim the same question earlier this week.

He sent me this link: www.icengineworks.com .... clever idea, huh ?

 

What are the rear suspension uprights from? Late model Corvette maybe? Original design?

 

The Suspension uprights our own castings Original design.

 

How much of the overall design is different from the original? Like chassis and wheelbase dimensions. What all had to be massaged from the original design to accomodate modern duplication?

 

The whole car has been redesigned, the chassis is longer and wider. This was mainly for driver comfort as well as driver safety.

 

This is my first post here and I would like to say this thread on the p-4 has been great. I am lucky enough to have been involved in working on one of these cars and if I may address Tim (Taylor?) who asked for Ideas for the new car I would like to make a suggestion. Would it be possible to make the fuel tanks a cell with a bladder that could be replaced if needed. I say this because the car I was involved with devolped slight seepage in the right tank. (there was a reason, not the fault of the car). Needless to say it was a little tough repairing the tank in the car. Just a thought. Thanks

 

Very!

 

OH MY GAWD !!! Welcome Tim and thank you thank you thank you for those pic's, you cant tell but I'm actually typing this from the floor because those pic's knocked me out of my seat.

 

I did hint at this, a couple of pages back, in my post #114.

 

I sure would like to see those intake plenums out back in the bone pile and replace with individual throttle bodies like we did on the first run. Whats up with the early inside plug V12 on the pallet?

 

Like the ones used on the 'N° 23' ex-Dennis Machul car, David ? .... Photos kindly provided by yourself, IIRC.
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See Bob's post #97: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137409608&postcount=97

.... and this thread in 'Other Italian': http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16451

 

Ohhh! Paul don't ever call the car a P4 replica within earshot of Tom Meade: that would not go down well!

 

LOL !! You know what I meant, Marc. That's why I put 'punctuation marks' around it.

 

In Modena on one of the cars Tom used a steerring wheel off an early de Tomaso racecar simply because that is what was at hand...Allessandro de Tomaso happened to see this and suddenly two type A personnalities were getting very hot under the collar: it was Mrs Haskell de Tomaso who had to defuse the situation

 

As someone who drives a "custom build", albeit something not nearly as beautiful as the P4, I'm interested in how the Norwood P4's are titled, especially when delivered "new". I'm assuming from the thread that they are delivered as turn-key cars.

 

Another nice photo of the same car, taken at PBSCW 2008, posted on Flickr by 'ZKcrew'.

See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/uriahbaet/sets/72157603839933467/?page=4 (bottom row)
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Welcome aboard Bob. Great to have you here.

Just a warning. This doggon site is ADDICTING!

 

Ditto - posted on Webshots 'Rides' by 'redfcar'

See: http://rides.webshots.com/album/562342042DJYfOB (first photo in album !)
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That would be fun to drive to work in the morning

 

I guess you could call it 'hedging your bets'.

I had a pretty good idea that photos of Ed Cohen's Norwood P4, taken at PBSCW, might just show up on the 'Net, on the various online photo hosting websites like Fotki and Webshots. No doubt there were dozens taken on the day, and I'll discover more in due course.
But just in case they didn't, I took the precaution of PM'ing Bill Tracy from the Florida section, who had said he was attending PBSCW, and asked him if he wouldn't mind taking 'a few' nice shots of Ed's car, for me, if he saw it there.

Bill very kindly obliged, and a couple of dozen photos arrived in my email inbox this afternoon. Thanks BT !!

Here's a few of them.

Interesting the effect it has on the woman passing by. Nice to see Ed has finally got a speedo fitted to the car at last, too !!
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Bob can probably answer this better than myself, but I would suspect the answer is simply 'Norwood P4'.
I can only specifically remember asking this question of one owner - Ed Cohen - the owner of the yellow car above. Ed also kindly gave me the car's chassis number, as stated on the title documents, which is an abbreviation of 'Norwood P4' with '003' added into the string. Note '003' - which causes a little confusion amongst some, as this car was the second of the aluminium-bodied cars completed.

Ed told me a way back, when I first contacted him, that he tries to drive his car regularly - at least every two weeks.
To the best of my knowledge, currently, this yellow Norwood P4 is the only one that is street driven regularly.
The question is - How does Ed get away with it ? - without picking up a 'moving violation' ticket (for noise) every time ? The car is running on on Florida 'Antique' plates, but that 365GT/4 motor is effectively unsilenced - with straight-through headers and megaphone tailpipes. All I can think is that he must tread very lightly on the 'loud pedal'. Or does that 'Antique' license plate exempt the car ?

Speaking of silencing (or the lack of it), I came across a couple of interesting little photos on a Swiss custom exhaust website.

See: http://www.frei-chromstahlauspuffe.ch/Chromstahlauspuff/edelstahlauspuffe.html .... and two photos captioned 'Ferrari P4'.

Now, you can try hiding a car under a plastic sheet, but you know that if you put photos of a P4 replica on the 'Net', sooner or later ....
.... 'Yours Truly' will find them, and identify it.

The car in these two photos is clearly a Norwood P4 (the ex-Dennis Machul 'N° 23'), now owned by Jean-Pierre Slavic of Switzerland.
(See posts #44 and #69 of this thread). As he was having some fairly substantial silencers fitted, it would seem that JPS was, at one time, considering using the car on the road in Switzerland. Unfortunately, it seems he subsequently decided against it, and ended up hanging it on the wall of his collection, as an 'automotive sculpture' instead. What a waste, IMO.
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Phil. Further to our earlier discussion of this car, in posts #145 - #147 on the previous page ....

Funnily enough, I just happened to be talking to a fellow P4 replica owner, yesterday, and he raised the subject of this very car. My friend, who incidentally purchased a Ferrari 400GT V-12 powered Foreman P4 replica at auction, around this time last year (very cheaply too, I might add), had attended the Brooks Olympia sale, in April 1997, when this car was sold. He still had the auction catalogue, too - so I asked him if he could scan the relevant page for me.

Note - there is no mention of 'he whose name must not be so much as breathed, in connection with vintage Ferraris' , just simply:

'The Remaining Contents of a Private Motor Car Collection' ....

.... and unsurprisingly, the last sentence states: 'No registration documents or other paperwork is offered with the car.'

My friend has pencilled in the sales price on the catalogue page - a mere £25,300 (hammer price + premium).

Confirmed here, on Motorbase: http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/378366459/
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