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Low speed missfire.

Discussion in '308/328' started by chrismorse, Feb 11, 2008.

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  1. chrismorse

    chrismorse Formula 3

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    Another problem surfaced today during my wind up of a 1000 mile trip. At low speed, the engine had a regular miss untill about 2500-3000rpm, then it would clear up. the proeblem was intermittant while the engine was hot.

    The car has new plugs and has the norwood conversion, (8 cyl chevy cap, chrysler magnetic pick up and modified ford rotor, msd 6al and Blaster coil).

    Just before the trip, i replaced the plugs with NGK 6 range plugs and noticed that the plug extenders, (6 out of 8), were cracked, but saw no signs of arcing, so, I am wondering if the extenders are arcing or ????

    I am also thinking about pulling the carbs to check the foat levels and the cleanliness of the idle passages. I just recently reverted to the stock 55 idles from 60's and noticed a marked reduction in "stinky engine".

    Any thoughts, even wild speculations, welcomeed
    Mired in ignorance, again,
    chris
     
  2. Jdubbya

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    If the plug extenders were cracked that would be my first bet. I'd almost think that would be a more consistent miss though.?
     
  3. maurice70

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    I would also say the extenders as well as the idles jets and even the fuel filter if you haven't changed it lately
     
  4. eulk328

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    The voltage put out by coils goes up with rpm so higher voltage can jump (arc to an unintended ground) more easily. Therefore I would think if it were the extenders the misfire would not clear up above 2500~3000 rpms. Perhaps it still is misfiring at high rpms but it's not as noticeable. Fuel mixture also affects the amount of voltage the coil must produce to jump the plug gap. Richer mixture (within reason) requires less voltage so if the mixture were leaner down low you might have more chance of arcing at lower rpms. In other words it could still be the extenders. But..... I wouldn't put money on it.

    Did the problems start with your conversion? If your new coil can put out more voltage than the original I would make sure all components of the high voltage system are in top notch shape. New plug wires, boots and cap if they're not recent and then maybe extenders too.


     
  5. chrismorse

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    The problem started many months after the conversion. I just re installed the stock idle and main jets and everything looked clean. The fuel filter was also recently replaced. I checked it to see if i had taken on a load of contaminated gas and it looks ok.
    I'll try new extenders and rubber boots, (they look really ratty, probably the originals).

    I will post my findings. Any other ideas also welcome.

    thanks,
    chris
     
  6. Jdubbya

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    You might check the plugs while you're there. If one (or more) gets fouled it can produce a low rpm miss too.
     
  7. eulk328

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    What are you saying about the stock idle and main jets? Did you have other ones in place and then put the originals back in? Or, are you saying you simply took out the originals to verify they were clean and then put them back in?

     
  8. chrismorse

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    Hi John And Erich,

    Just after i replaced the thermal reactor with the flowmaster, i went up on the jets to help with the backfiring, popping and flames. Subsequently, i did a little better job balancing the carbs and the idle mixtures. I went back to stock jetting after reading all of SNJ's posts and running an LM-1 AF Ratio meter.

    So while doing the change, i checked for plugged jets and everything looked ok. Driveability is a little better but the mileage is still 16.5 on the road.

    The plugs were changed just before the trip, but i had a few little missing eppisodes, most noticeably at low rpm and possibly at high rpm as well. some times it is hard to tell at high rpm.

    My next step is to pull the carbs, clean all of the passages, install new needles and seats, carefully set the float heights, then use two 4 tube manometers to really set the carbs to pull evenly, just off idle, then use a friends infrared to set the idle mixtures, hopefully, this wil allow me to get it down to "lean and mean" with crisp throttle response and the best possible, (or probable) fuel economy.

    I have a theory that when running many carbs, that getting the mixture "right" for all of them, equally balanced, especially at low throttle openings, (where we usually are at highway cruise) is difficult and that the "easy fix" for this is to richen up all of the carbs, at idle, midrange or top end, to get the darn thing to run smooth, and so we are often left with a car that runs rich, stinks, gets poor fuel economy and has stumbles or poor throttle response.

    I hope to get this balanced out with the help of the two 4 tube manometers and the lm-1 a/f ratio meter.

    I just spent $500+ on new plug extenders, rubber boots, (all of them really ratty) and a pair of cam cover gaskets, choke, gasp - but ah well, it is for the green car :).

    best,
    chris
     
  9. eulk328

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    Sure sounds like a carb./fuel issue to me now. I spent years messing around with the 42DCNF's on my Lancia (pre LM-1 days). Changing jets, choke barrels, accel. jets etc. You can definitely create mixture problems that only appear in a specific rpm window.

    Good luck with the troubleshooting.

     

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