If you Photoshoped that, its one hell of a job... Kinda funny too. And it doesnt matter if Renault and Nissan are the same company, a Jag dealer is never sold an X-Type as a Ford, and Veyron owners are not driving VWs. But Lambo owners are driving Audis... _J
Huh? Get off your high heels. In no way shape or form did I say it should replace any P-car or Ferrari, it's a complement, totally different car. However I can really feel in your post that you are scared that the GTR is better than your P-car. Let's keep this discussion at facts, not utter rubbish opinions as the one posted above.
As I said, the Radical is the fastest car in Ring but I am not scared if it or GT-R are faster than my P or F car. You really must not see the point: I do not think very many of us cares if GT-R/ Radical are faster or not 'cause they are in different league: GT-R is a ricer. If You want a fast track car, I would by something else than GT-R or F. But what I use my F for, GT-R is no where near to be compared to. So I think this discussion should be in some other forum, there is no need to compare these cars. It is almost the same than comparing Roll's to Ford Mondeo about their space. ( Which one is the best buck buy for offering 4 seats). What's the point here? This is 360/430 forum. No need to step off from my high heels, best
I just hope that people so quick to dismiss other people choices of vehicle would actually try living with one before they became an 'expert' on the said car. There is absolutely no doubt a Ferrari is an astonishing ownership experience. I've loved being privileged enough to own one but people who dismiss other vehicles just because of the look or the badge really should question why they buy a car in the first place. Why did you buy your car? to gain status? to show off? to blend in? to relish in the ownership experience? to drive something reliable? to drive something cheap? to drive something expensive? to enjoy the styling, art forms and sonics? to have feelings of superiority? to attract women? to drive the equivalent of 'haute couture' to fulfill a lifetime ambition? to demonstrate to others your success/wealth? to enjoy driving? to use as a weekend toy? to race? to drive track days? to go shopping in? to commute to work? to use as an everyday driver? to use as a workhorse? to be a multi-purpose people carrier? etc. Basically what I'm trying to highlight is everyone has a vast array of different reasons (none any more valid than another) about why they contemplate buying a car. Everyones choices are radically different, different budgets, different requirements. A Ferrari is an aspirational product, a GT-R is also aspirational, but both are aspirational for different reasons. If people who don't own or have never owned a Ferrari come on here with pre-conceived notions that just because the GT-R's that much quicker around the ring than XYZ car expecting Ferrari owners to pitch in and say 'Geez, where have you been all my life Nissan' then your missing the point. While I love the GT-R many won't ever get it but likewise many GT-R owners (who could afford a Ferrari) where equally very anti-Ferrari. Guess I cross both boundaries... I just appreciate the passion thats gone into making both cars the best they could be within the budgets and limitations the design teams had to work with...
Since the "resale" card has gotten plenty of play in this thread, I have one question: What's a 4 year old 430 with 40,000 miles going to be worth? Jimmy
I say a bunch of Ferraris, not only F1. Lets face it, the GTr´s bhp/ton is crappy. Still it´s almost as fast a Z06 in 0-100 mph. It´s actually faster then the 997GT3 on track and faster/handles better then the Audi R8. Either they have 0 drivetrain loss or there is more like 550+ hp in that TT V6. No way it can be that fast otherwise. I would guess any modern Ferrari/ Porsche will outbreak that car after 3 laps on random race track. It´s to heavy. There are no miracles.
Who cares, it's a Nissan. There's always going to be something faster, more nimble, more comfortable, this or that-but Ferrari is by which all others are measured. I don't care if my 360 isn't as fast as some Asian, German or American car, I want the legacy, the beauty, the sound, and the prancing horse. There is only one Ferrari, and to own one is to participate and experience something more than horsepower and speed. No matter what car I go on to own, I now understand and appreciate the incredible workmanship and pride that goes into this car. Cheers!
The Japanese are notorious for publishing conservative power numbers. Also, if you want to predict acceleration, torque is much more important than HP. The GTR has 434 supposedly vs 430's 383 for instance. Also, the torque curve has a big effect not to mention when you are talking this kind of power, the AWD has an advantage at launch. Building powerful cars is not much of a challenge anymore. Dave
As I said in a previous post (I am a 430 owner) resale is a poor justification for buying a modern Ferrari over some "lesser" car. You could throw a GTR away after four years and it would still cost less than owning a 430. Dave
even Hyundai knows this... when they revealed the Genesis to "beat" the S-Class and 7-series... they opted for the clean grill instead of the one with the Hyundai logo. Wait till the Tiburon becomes a full-fledged RWD power machine to beat a future M3... we will have this argument all over again... but it's just a Hyundai... That being said, I picked an SLK over a 350Z, TT, Z4 or Boxster/Cayman... make of it what you will. Heck, I picked the SLK over a 348 Spider I was looking over.. <ducks for cover> to each his own, I say... ~shahedc . p.s. as for the guy from Asia who posted the GT-R pics.. it looks really nice, and I look forward to your comparison with your incoming Scuderia..
Wow, there's a lot of ignorance in this thread as there is in the Porsche/BMW/Vette/Viper/Nissan forums, but at least there's a few like 360trev who just get it. Now, not to stoke the fire or anything but this is a pretty interesting development that may or may not help you come to a decision about the topic at hand. The Nurburgring(Nordschleife) has become the gold standard for recording lap times of so-called "road legal" "production" cars for comparison or promotional purposes. We all know by now that the GT-R turned in a time of 7:38 in late 2007, accomplishing Nissan's mission of dethroning Porsche's 911 Turbo. And now... with two years left to fine tune things, the V-Spec has had a go and managed an astonishing 7:25. [1] 7:24 Lexus LF-A *unofficial [2][3] 7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec ($90k-$110k?) 7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport ($1.2mil?) 7:28 Porsche Carrera GT 7:32.02* Porsche 997 GT2 2008 7:34 Koenigsegg CCR 7:38.54 Nissan GT-R 7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 7:40 Bugatti Veyron 16/4 7:42 Porsche 997 GT3 (...) 7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano (...) 7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 (...) 7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale [4] So performance-wise I'd have to say yes, the GT-R and it's Victory Specification comes out on top. Of course that doesn't mean it's a "better" car for you. Like the gentleman pointed out earlier in this thread, "For what I use my Ferrari for, I would never consider a Nissan." I can understand that. The Ferrari is the pretty car... and the GT-R is just bad-ass. [1] - http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/ [2] - http://www.*************/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073 [3] - http://www.autospies.com/news/Lexus-LF-A-laps-the-Nurburgring-in-7-minutes-and-24-seconds-24268/ [4] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times
Somewhere above Chalk and Cheese was posted. This could not be more accurate. One car is an engineering tour de force the demands respect. The other an aspirational purchase and positional good that evokes lust.
I was going to post this time but you beat me to it. This time is simply unbelievable. CGT driven by Walter is no low benchmark. The story that I got from Autoblog: The prototype Nissan GT-R V-Spec, wearing the "Victory Specification" designation reserved for the ultra high-performance Nissan GT-R, has been caught lapping the famed Nürburgring at an incredible, if not simply unbelievable, 7:25 per lap. This, according to bystanders trackside. (For comparison, Walter Röhrl lapped the Ring in 7:28 while driving a Porsche Carrera GT in 2004.) In contrast to the standard Nissan GT-R, that made the run around the 'Ring in 7:38, the GT-R V-Spec has a new front splitter, modified rear spoiler, and different wheels. A more extensive use of carbon fiber has reportedly reduced the weight by upwards of 330 pounds. Of course, Nissan engineers also tweaked the twin-turbo powerplant for another 70 horses... or so
I don't like any turbocharged street car, the GTR is no exception.....and it's very very ugly. Japanese companies nearly always send out ringers to the magazines and the magazine almost always print expensive multi-page adds from the maker of the featured car that month. You can't believe everything you read....which is why they don't save time and just cancel the races and hand out the trophies based on the publish specs
LOL... I got all the Premium packages and lots of options on a 2007 SLK350, which drove the price above a base SLK55 AMG... then, my brother-in-law said that I could buy his 348 Spider for $10k less... I opted for the SLK, and don't regret it. But of course, I am now looking at Ferraris and would like to get a 360... still won't part with the SLK though.. I would love to test drive the GTR if it is available for test drive... as for the 430S: I am not worthy!!! ~shahedc .
The Carrera GT didn't lap faster at Nurburgring because the road is too bumpy, the 997GT2 does better because is more of a "road car".
