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  1. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    Where were you during the Schumacher years?

    That statement is absurd
     
  2. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    Why not? You clearly do. :p
     
  3. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    Could you have documented Kimi's option? That was rumored for over a year depsite all the denials from both Ferrari adn kimi...look what happened.

    If you haven't read anywhere that Alonso has a deal in his pocket, then you must not be reading anything to do with F1, that has been the worst kept secret of the past 6 months...just like Kimi's deal.
     
  4. Senna3xWC

    Senna3xWC F1 Rookie

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    The Schumacher-era Ferrari team was built for one purpose and one purpose only, to deliver the WDC to Michael. That's it. Do you think Schumacher cared for one second about the WCC? I sure don't.



    If that were true, then Alonso would already be at Ferrari.

    Ferrari has yet to win the WCC on merit with Massa in the second seat. Irvine and Rubens both delivered the WCC to Ferrari, thus far Massa has not. If the team's goal is to win the WCC (which I believe it is) then it makes obvious sense to maximize your points potential from BOTH drivers. You won't win too many WCCs with a driver who makes unforced errors all the time.

    For all the criticism about Alonso, he has delivered the WCC on the track 3 years in a row, with last year's title being stripped from the team by the regulators. Alonso delivers the points on the track, Ferrari's second driver does not.
     
  5. stevanford

    stevanford Karting

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    It's the reason why it took a while to sign a contract with renault.
     
  6. Senna3xWC

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    And yet everyone wants Alonso for a multi-year deal. It doesn't seem to me like team owners are all that concerned about his "destabilizing" influence.
     
  7. Senna1994

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    +100
     
  8. GrndLkNatv

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    You fred haters can say all you want about him whining, complaining, and everything else but the fact of the matter is that Fred is the one who turned in McLaren for cheating last year, he was honest about the whole thing and another fact of the matter is that given equal cars, he is one of the top two drivers in the field... The two top drivers in the field today are Kimi and Fred... If you put them in equal cars, it would be one great race, one that I am not so sure Fred wouldn't win.. Fact of the matter is that Lewis sucks without computer help, the boy is a PSP player, not a real driver as this season has shown, and Kovaleinen is young yet, Massa is not a good driver in traffic, and the others are a step behind. So you may all hate Fred, but Ferrari doesn't care what you think, they want to win, and winning sells cars.. So don't be surprised to see Fred in a red car in 2009...
     
  9. Senna3xWC

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    ROFL :D
     
  10. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Multi year deals are the norm. He wanted a one year deal and Renault said no. He agreed to 2 yrs. Drivers usually sign multi year deals. He didnt sign with the teams that matter and thats his fault for folding like a lawn chair at Mclaren, pushed out by a rookie and his overbearing father :) Alonso and adversity just dont mix. Mid pack teams all love Alonso, he was available and pushes their profiles higher in the spotlight. Their cars dont thats for sure :) Alonso was left with little but bad car/mid pack options. His one year deal thing was his way to control his bailout that they all knew would occur. Alonso was and is buying time and HOPING for a break back to the front. One year deals dont bring stability.

    Hes weak no matter how good he is in the seat. Kimi is the best package out there. Alonso will be a has been unless he gets a break in the near future. They all want him yes!!. All that are in the mid pack right now. He has no hope of going to Mclaren or BMW or Ferrari. If he had a Fcar deal he wouldnt be mouthing off to stay in the limelight. Kimi had a deal and just said nothing or politely denied it. Any theories as to why Alonso runs his trap continously? Take a look at where he is and where he isnt. He is being left behind...and he hates it :) I find his saga quite entertaining. He has no one to blame but himself.
     
  11. GrndLkNatv

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    Kimi is currently the best but he also has the best car.. Remember it wasn't long ago, about 4 years ago, that Schumi would mop the floors with Kimi but had a hard time getting Fonzo off his butt and many time Fonzo was faster... So in pure driving ability, I would say it's a toss up between Fred and Kimi, don't discount Fred's driving ability, he shows every race why he was the world champ as he's doing miracles this year considering the crappy car he has to drive...

    BTW, he has more than hope to go to Ferrari, he's said himself he has an option and the owner of Red Bull has pretty much confirmed it...
     
  12. kraftwerk

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    You were doing ok, till you stated the nonense below..remind me where is he in the leader board standing's. Oh and FA didn't turn in Mclaren.

     
  13. GrndLkNatv

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    Wow, so that's why crane boy has been on the podium so much there year right?? He's such an awesome driver without computer assistance! BTW, FA did approach Bernie and turn in McLaren the same day Dennis lied to Max.. It was Bernie who took him to visit Max and opened it all up.... Lewis did win the first race, only because of the Ferrari Fiasco, but from now on out, I wouldn't expect to see him on the podium, I would however expect to see Kimi, Felipe, Kubica and Heidfield there and another guy named Kovaleinen who is a better driver than Lewis...
     
  14. kraftwerk

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    Ok ,I like it this way: just to remind myself when I revisit this post you said, to spell it out, From now on you won't expect to see Lewis on the podium. right ok.

    As I said you have lost all credibility with your biased, shame.
     
  15. GrndLkNatv

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  16. Senna3xWC

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    I had to read that twice myself. :confused: The contest for the most ridiculous post of the year is definitely heating up.

    Too bad the moderators don't allow betting on these boards... :p
     
  17. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Would you care to put your money where your mouth is..? As in regard's Lewis all talk no podium's.

    I bought the book cheap , good buy methink's although far to soon to pay full price for it....It's laughable that you think people in my country don't rate a driver because they don't buy his book..Oh well I suppose if that's the way you see thing's I feel whole lot better.
     
  18. kraftwerk

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    I'am not a betting man Ted, but that would be like taking candy from a baby...;)
     
  19. robert_c

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    Source please.
     
  20. DeSoto

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    Mmmm... well, maybe not in the case of Ferrari. But that´s quite off-topic.
     
  21. GrndLkNatv

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    Enzo could care less about selling cars, he wanted to race and that was his only passion.. Building street cars helped him make money to support the team. These days it still supports the team but Fiat is interested in making money and the more Ferrari wins, the more cars and merchandise they sell.... In fact Ferrari merchandise, hats, coats, books, tapes, out sell all other brands combined at least according the speedgear.com..
     
  22. DeSoto

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    Yes, but they had commercial success when they won nothing in the races and viceversa, so I think that those things are not related. After all, their main market is the U.S., a place where nobody cares about European races.

    But enough off-topic.
     
  23. tifosi12

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    Team managers didn't like the whining Alonso when he was at Renault or at McLaren, no doubt.

    But they saw the bigger picture: Despite (or because of?) his whining in 2006 he managed to pull off the title against a mighty Schumacher in the Ferrari. And despite all the controversy last year, he was still in the running for the title until the very last race. As was his team mate. While he has an annoying strain in his personality, he still is one of the fastest drivers and leads the team forward towards victory.

    Add to that his proven track record as a car developer: He turned the midfield Renault into a Ferrari/MS beating two time WDC machine. As soon as he left Renault, the car started to drop off and became midfield again under the "guidance" of Fisichella (who no wonder is now at Farce India).

    As soon as he joined McLaren, the car became a WDC contender after years in the dolldrums. Now that he left McLaren, their ace Hamilton is struggling to keep it together and the team gets passed by BMW.

    Sometimes a driver lucks into a WDC, it can happen. But there are no two times WDC by luck. The man is top notch and Ferrari knows it. As well as all other team managers.
     
  24. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Top notch as long as he is guaranteed a #1 status. He doesnt really compete well with pressure. Hence his folding up at Mclaren. Nerves of steel currently reside in Kimi. Doldrums at Mclaren? Really, how about Kimi's bad luck there when he was absolutely challenging MS for the title. Mclaren has been a competitive car for sometime. It had NOTHING to do with Alonso. Hence his leaving under duress. Hes a good driver, he is not the savior of Mclaren by any means. Thats just a bit of a stretch.
     
  25. stevanford

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    Mclaren weren't that competitive in 2006.
     

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