MEGA THREAD : PORSCHE VS. NISSAN : New GTR : 7:15 around the Nurburgring?

Except with the guy holding the stopwatch...

 

Little brother as in "The CGT is faster than the 911" Or perhaps I could have said "picking on the grandfather next door".

My point was "if you're going to beat Porsche, let them put their best foot forward". It Nissan seems to have bettered the 911's time, but I wouldn't consider that an "owning of Porsche".

 

A 7.29 official track time is impressive.

Thanks for the heads up.

Nissan seems to have built one hell of a performance vehicle...

 

7:29 still proves nothing for me.

 

Would you guys buy a clue? Please!

There is no "official"! Doesn't exist! So such thing! Except under a sanctioned event.

F***! I did a 7:15 in my Kitty Fishsticks XLS Turbo!

 

LOL

 

The problem with comparing it to a 911 turbo is that the turbo is too heavy and too "soft" stock. It wasn't tweaked to get the best possible lap times; it was tweaked to go godawful fast, safely and serenely...right to the country club parking lot. The GT-2 is more in line with what the GT-R represents, but its price obviously handicaps it in that comparison.

Good job to Nissan, no matter what anyone says. Its all good, gents. Competition strengthens the breed.

 

A little over the top response yet thanks for the information..

I thought the 7.29 was a time that was "sanctioned"

 

+1

Looks like I found a future garage mate for my F355 GTB. Impressive! These days Porsches are for poseurs anyway....

 

Save your breath, even if Nissan sells a GT-R that does 6:29 for $15,000, there always be haters out there.

I for one cant complain about an $80K car that does mid 7s give or take on the ring.

 

Porsche got "owned" here also...

http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_guide/chevrolet/corvette/2007_chevrolet_corvette_coupe/ll2_2007_chevrolet_corvette_feature

 

480hp, 3,300lbs = 7:29 ....no way. It HAS to be underated by at least 80hp. My guess is more in the 550+ range.
AND that driver has some balls

Brian

 

H O L Y ............ I am speechless. Mad props

 

It wasn't a race, so there was no FIA timing and scoring staff on hand. There never is for this timekeeping horses***.

As a marketer, I guess I should be glad there are so many gullible consumers.

 

I don't think its guillible to ask what standard of tests were being used..

flying start? standing start..

These variables are valuable if doing anytype of comparision ...

Otherwise like many have suggested... Its all bullsh!t...


I'll let you as the smartest person alive decifer the rest.

Thanks again and I'm sure the GTR is still an amazing vehicle. (I don't care for the looks yet I do like to give credit when its due...no matter what the brand....)

 

But that's the rub, Stanley. No one is asking about standard practices.

It's all up to the joker holding the stopwatch--and because Nissan, Porsche and some lame car magazine says so, fanbois eat it all up.

It's doubtful any 7:29 supporter in this thread even knows what "bridge-to-gantry" means without looking it up.

 

Big ups to all my haters!!

Ok, I guess we just have to wait for Nissan to post a vid of the feat like Zonda and many others have.

In regard to a few of the questions posed here: All laps timed at the Nring have been flying laps. It is standard practice. Nissan have posted on their website that the car is standard and on standard tires. To those that question that, why would such a huge company put a TON of sales and reputation of the line to improve an already amazing time set on the 'Ring? They have no such reason. All the P boys with their GT3RSUKY's equipped with Mich Cup Tires will clench their ass in frustration even further in the face of these achievements.

I've said it a dozen times, the GTR is an epic achievement, and it speaks volumes for itself everytime a new test is conducted.

Lastly, there will ALWAYS be whiney *****es that want to find the chink in the armor of something or someone great. People hated Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Schumi, etc. The greats will always have haters.

 

Here's more 'ring BS!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/02/corvette-zr1-engineer-says-gt-r-wont-be-king-of-the-ring-for-l/

 

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gt_r_dyno_test/results_analysis.html

It looks like you're right. Motor Trend even gives several different estimates and explanations, and taking the most conservative estimate, which is unlikely to be the actual one, still resulted in over 500HP.


I think, in general, Nurburgring is a fair comparison between cars: it tests many facets of overall performance, unlike 0-60 times or oft-controversial skidpad numbers. It's hard to compare between drivers, and results from Nissan themselves should certainly be taken with a grain of salt until an independent third party can run some laps, but you can't deny that this is quite an achievement.

Even if this car is comparable or even slightly worse than a 997 GT2--which doesn't even seem to be the case--it still costs less than half as much. Furthermore, initial reviews from Steve Millen of Stillen Motorsports, Jay Leno and other enthusiasts all express agreement on a critically important factor for the enthusiast consumer: this car is apparently unbelievably easy to drive.

Ferrari's are certainly more beautiful cars, but we all know that most owners will never take their cars to even 6 or 7/10ths of the cars' limit, on a track or otherwise. Dodge Vipers have tons of grip and incredible, roaring power, but punish you harshly for not being in absolute control, causing them to be the most crashed super-$50k sportscar around.

Fanboyism aside, this car may be ugly, but it's a phenomenal engineering achievement.

 

Oh really? Then why did Autocar just report that Gohan said the 7:29 GT-R ran with revised chassis settings?

 

I just read on another board that the GTR had R compound tires and a running start?

 

I wish I could get excited about a few tenths of a second but really i couldnt give a crap.

Anyone that buys a car because of the numbers it posts on a track and isnt buying it as a track car has some a screws loose.

I buy cars because of their 'feel' and track times/stats are not a good indicator.

 

I say they give the thing to the stig and see what he can do with it.

 

+1 except I don't think it is ugly! I have ordered my V-Spec to match my 430S