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Engine Types and Creators

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by 134282, May 8, 2008.

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  1. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Hey, everyone. I made a list of Ferrari road cars, broken down chronologically, including first and last serial number, total production (in most cases total RHD production), and starting and ending production years. That list can be seen here. I want to now enhance it and include, for each model, the engine type (i.e., the 430 Scuderia's engine type is F136ED) as well as the creator of the engine (i.e., Columbo, Lampredi, etc.). It's no secret that you vintage are the smartest bunch here on FerrariChat, so I thought I'd start with you. Any engine types and creators you can provide here that I can include in this list would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
     
  2. WCH

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    Very interesting, great format, thanks for posting.

    I wonder whether the new version of the 612, which shows up as 612 OTO (one to one, I assume) in some of the dealer materials, should be a separate category? Perhaps not, if there have been no changes to the power plant.
     
  3. 134282

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    Thanks, WCH.

    If the engine type is different, then I feel it should be in a different category. For example, the F430's engine type is F136 E, and the 430 Scuderia's engine type is F136ED. If the engine types differ, then I think it's worth noting.
     
  4. wetpet

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    thanks for the list. i printed it out as a quick reference. you going to montreal?
     
  5. Jeff Kennedy

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    How do you want to handle the engine type information?

    On the list you may wish to separate the 250 TdF with the Interims. All/most (not a place to check the Jess Pouret book) had the outside plug 128F instead of the earlier 128D.

    Jeff
     
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    See, stuff like that is cool. And therein lies my woeful inexperience and lack of knowledge with the older cars. I wouldn't even know where to begin with how to separate the cars by engine type, because I don't know stuff like inside plug and outside plug. But if all of this stuff comes out, then we can begin to define a beautiful and informative list.
     
  7. 134282

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    I don't think so.
     
  8. Jeff Kennedy

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    Carbon,

    Don't mean to be a pain but do you have a preference how we provide the information/how the information is entered to the various models.

    Do you have thoughts if you want to split the earliest V12s with a pure Columbo design from the Lampredi revisions to the Columbo design?

    As for the Lampredi design it is the early long block V12. I believe all the I-4 and I-6 are attributed to Lampredi.

    Jeff
     
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    Jeff...

    It's certainly not you being the pain, let me assure you. I'll take the information any way I can get it, so long as it's clear enough that I (a layman) can understand it. Whatever's easiest for you is fine with me; but stuff like "I-4" and "I-6" throw me for a loop. :)
     
  10. Jeff Kennedy

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    Carbon,

    I4 = inline 4 cylinger as in the 500 Mondial, 500 Testa Rossa, 750 Monza
    I6 = inline 6 cylinder as in the 118LM, 121LM

    These are all even number cars for your next list. I will need to check if the blue Mondial coupe is even number, most likely.

    Have you gone through barchetta.com? This may be a fast source for some of the information you are looking for.

    Jeff
     
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    Peek-a-boo! Guess who?

    I want to refresh and update the list linked in the original post, so I thought I'd bring this thread back to life in the hopes of identifying engine creators, and the names of the individuals at the coach builders who were responsible for each car's design.
     
  12. Terra

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    I believe most of the 250 GT Interim cars had Tipo 128DF outside plug motors.
     
  13. Terra

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    It's Colombo, not Columbo.
     
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    Any chance you'd be willing to school a layman on the difference between an inside plug motor and an outside plug motor, and why the two exist, and is one better than the other?
     
  15. tongascrew

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    Ok for starters here is what can be done. Start with the Barchetta listings for each s/n of interest and print out each one to start an individual file for each s/nThen go to Google and go thru the listing for each s/n and mark up the Barchetta listing with info and pictures.Then go back to the very first post in the Vintage section or the section best suited for you interest, in FerrariChat and work all your way thru every post ever listed again updating the Barchetta listings. There are a select group of "collectors"on FerrariChat who have several decades of research and experience available who can assist you. Then get a complete collection of all Cavallino,Forza,Prancing Horse andFerrari World magazines and cross check each issue with your Barchetta listing. While doing this check daily at least one of the numerous Internet sites for dealers and individuals selling Ferrari historical books, literature,manuals yearbooks, auction listings etc. and assemble a collection of at least 700 individual publications.There is info in each of these publications that can be added to the individual s/n files.If all this sounds like a bit much just enjoy what ever you can and keep the faith. tongascrew
     
  16. miurasv

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    It would be great to see the engine tipos listed for all the cars.
     
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    Inside plug means the spark plugs are located inboard of the cam covers, in the valley of the V. Outside plug means the spark plugs are located outboard of the cam covers, above the exhaust ports.
     
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    Why did Ferrari return to the Colombo V12 for 400 America ?
     
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    AMC: Economics. The Lampredi V-12 was much more expensive to build and service.
     

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