You are contradicting yourself, yet again. Exactly because McL are not the class of the field, HK's performance makes Hami that much more UNimpressive.
I read that article, and found it quite interesting. Mark Hughes is not God though, so I would not use that article as proof that Massa has no chance in 12 of the 13 remaining races this season. Now, I can certainly agree that Massa will score little if any points "if" he DNF in the rest of the races this season. However, that is a GIANT, HIGHLY UNLIKELY, "if". I have not seen any post indicating such beliefs. Perhaps you could provide some links? If you played wait & see and feel that scoring 28 points in the last 3 races gives you grounds for this bashing, then I guess I am unable to follow your line of thought... I certainly agree that it is too ealy to judge this season either way though. Massa may very well end up as the WDC, but he could also run into bad form and make you happy.
Possibly, but unlikely, more likely it makes Ferrari's actual results less impressive. They made the wrong tire choice. They admitted they screwed up. Oh, and Lewis Hamilton is very good, if he were "brilliant" he would not have blown the WDC in 2007. And I have not read anyone comparing Massa to Schumacher. Schumacher is his mentor and teacher, it shows, but no one, no one comes close to Michael Schumacher.
Ferrari's two drivers are 1 and 2 in the championship. Why is there any negative discussion? Except maybe why is Kimi losing ground at his $45million dollar/year salary to his $6million dollar/year teammate? At that salary, Raikkonen should have nearly 7 times more points. That is if I used the concepts of some of the people on this forum. I also find it hilarious and rather contridictory that the Mark Hughes article is better than the the previous proMassa articles. When I think about it, I would put more credence into the knowledge of some of those proMassa writers than into Mark who? Hughes. You people are really funny. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Its more like 51mill to 15mill, but point taken. Maybe the 45/51 mill is worth the money because without Kimi, McLaren wins the WCC and Kimi wins the WDC at McLaren.
Quit twisting the facts. Stop using incomplete statistics. Is this really Ted with another sign in name??? In his first year at Ferrari, Massa did much more to help his team than Barrichello did, that is statistical fact. Rubens wanted out of his contract, at the end his attitude became quite negative to the point that Schumacher was not speaking to him. Its the old which would you rather be philosphy, #2 at Ferrari or #1 at a second rate team. Nice guy Rubens chose the latter, burnt his bridges accordingly. In 2006, you are correct about only one thing, Massa scored 80 points (2 wins) to Schumachers 121 (7 wins). But you failed to mention that Massa came in third in the WDC, while Schumacher was ONLY second. Put equal blame on Schumacher for losing the WCC that year. After all, he did not win the WDC, losing to Alonso's 134 points(7 wins). Ferrari lost the WCC to Renault 206 to 201. If Michael had just won one more race, if if if if if. You expected Massa to beat Schumacher and Alonso in his first year on the team? The real truth is that car was crap, couldn't figure out the tires, and the walk on water Ross Brawn could not fix it. Why do you stretch to prove an unproveable point?? This is a Ferrari team driver that has proven his worth and dedication, why would anyone question this? Try using real COMPLETE facts to prove your point. Not you, not anyone will come up with anything factual to suggest that Felipe Massa is not doing his job well. That's what makes your comments along with Ted's such a joke. Reality? Only the rest of this season will prove who is correct. At this point it is only guessing. If Massa fails, then I will willingly admit to all of you on this forum that you were correct about him. I base my opinions on real facts and statitics, which I have taken the time to show on this thread. But if Massa proves his worth, even wins the WDC, I doubt if any of you have the ability or balls to admit you were wrong.
Ron, the fact of the matter is none of the posters in this thread have a crystal ball. Massa winning the WDC is within the realm of possibility, based on past performance. Kubica, on the other hand, will not.
You are right. The only fact relative to the future in F1 is that we are all guessing. Its a real crapshoot. That's why race day, the start, the first turn, and the finish in F1 is still so exciting to me. And for the first time in years, I can actually say I like all the drivers on the grid, even Fred. I just don't want him in red. ;} It certainly isn't the side by side competition (stated facetiously) that I find attractive. But damn it, the past is fact. Massa is good. Really good. And for that matter, go Danica!! (this is called adding fuel to the fire)
Ahhh no. Michael Schumacher was the best driver that year, no question. Unfortunately he had a bit of reliability problems that cost him the championship, the blown engine in Japan being a major one. Parking it Rascasse didn't help too much either. Massa OTOH started the season off with only 1 podium in 9 races.
Current WDC (and making sure he isn't with Mac bringing them a WDC and WCC) = 51mil Not ever even coming close to a WDC = 15mil I'm not sure what the problem is? The salaries seem correct to me.
Ahhhh nooooo. Just because two intelligent guys from NJ, don't think Felipe Massa is a god, doesn't mean they are the same person. I, for one, would not mind Alonso at Ferrari next year. I also don't think that Louie H is the lord and savior of F1. Ted doesn't like Alonso so much, and loves Lewis.
I'll say it. There is no way in Hell that Massa will win the WDC. And if he does, I will have the balls to admit that I was wrong. It will be a cold day in Hell if and when Massa wins a WDC.
Actually no it doesn't. The reason is because Heikki just had to pass inferior cars, i.e. Toyotas, Williams, Redbulls etc. Lewis was at the maximum of the car's capability, fighting with the Ferrari's and holding off Raikkonen. It's easier to pass slower cars than it is to race and hold off a superior one. Nice try, but this Hamilton bashing attempt failed.
No one said Felipe is God, and certainly no one said you were both intelligent. Especially if you admit you are from New Jersey. And I like Lewis, he is not arrogant but also he is not Schumacher, and this year I like Fred, but he is not Ferrari material. McLaren brought out the worst in his personality, or so I am told.
All you Massa detractors have the same Alonso fans sindrome when you see someone so close to your earth god Kimi ("iceman", "Ukko"), you feel some fear and start to minimize the rival. Why didn't you ever say anything about Massa when he was MS wingman? I'll answer for you: because Ferrari had a #1, and #2 drivers and we all know #1 (MS) was the best on the grid at that time. All the stats for Kimi are within a 5 years career at McLaren so you need to consider 7 years in a top grid team (yes it is now time to say: BUT McLaren was not in a top performance period) well so all the Schumacher and Ferrari titles were not so valid because he didn't have a rival in a competitive car? The main reason of Kimi's incredible reputation is because he jumped to McLaren to replace Mika who was MS rival after five years and non WDC jumped to Ferrari and a lot of pepole think he is the replace of MS, but he is not; he is just the new Ferrari driver. If you all are totally sure about Kimi's skills to be the #1 driver in the track, why are you all asking Ferrari to make an anouncement, why do you all want Massa out and pray for Vettel or Rosberg? Simple: because they would be #2 and not because they don't have the skill to be a #1 drivers, but because of their little experience. They would be #2, either if they replace Massa or Kimi. Remember France 2002 when Kimi leads the race and at the last lap in turn 5 he lost the brake point because he melt himself just some meters away from his 1st F1 win.
The posts you made in this thread show big signs of despreration There is no doubt that Massa has a huge chance of winning 2 or more races this season and that has you all shook up. Ah ha ha oh yea.
Actually this was not meant as an attempt to bash Hami. It was just an example of the logic(lack of) behind some of the comments here. And there was no passing Toyotas in qualifying, at which HK outperforms his God-ON-Earth, next-great-one, teammate. Also I am pretty sure it was wrong of me to feel that way (well I hope it is groundless) but Heiki's "problem" in Istambul kind of reminded me of Massa's pit strategy in Brazil last year
Lewis and Heikki are both very talented. Anyone who has followed Heikki's career knows he's talented. I think we'll see Lewis edge him out as the year progresses though.
He wasn't exactly Mr Personality his first stint at Renault, either. But this year, the pressure is off -- he doesn't have to maintain the "vunderkind" reputation, and can get down to being a driver instead of a "phenomenon". That pressure is now on Hami. But a lot of that pressure comes from his own media hype. Part of that may be having his dad as his manager. Part comes from being the golden boy of the british media. Remember when the press were all lined up behind Button? I'm guessing that it'll come down to who's ahead after Monza, again.
i guess so. Phil looks settled now, and i think he know, Kimi know, and Hammi knows he's a genuine threat for the WDC this year.
