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Like many previous, new Ferrari's, have to wait to see it in person. Based on the photos though, it's a bit of a let down. I guess too much hype and speculation will do that.
i'm starting to get dissapointed with ferrari. for me the first step was the enzo, followed by the 599 and the f430... i thought i had to justify to non ferrari people that these were awesome cars, but being a designer myself, i just cant see where they are going. unfortunatly people will buy this car because its a ferrari... i dunno. lots of people buy stuff because its cool, and thats whats going to happen with this. they arent going to buy it because its a well designed car. i know some designs grow on you, but i really cant see this one doing it. it looks too much like the alfa 8c which is a much better looking car by 10fold, and to me i think it will be in its shaddow. the other year i travelled to italy and went to the ferrari factory, i think i spent 90% of the time going over the older cars with just a glance at the new models, which is odd for me because i'm more of a new car guy than a classis one. i just think i could do a better job than whoever is designing their cars. i have designs right now i think most of you would rather over this. its not just ferrari. lamborghini did the same... the gallardo is a terrible design IMO... yet people buy them in droves... i dont know if its me, or whether people are sheep and buy them because they are a lambo. are designers just going "out there" to make a name for themselves??? i didnt think pininfarina would need to stoop this low. what happend to classic designs.... the only thing i can think of on the market right now is the astom martin lineup (which all look the same) i know i'm ranting but do others feel the same? whats going on?
well this is one i'm working on at the moment.... front end isnt finished but you get the general design. i havnt got many more pics as i'm on my work computer Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
If they re-did the lower spoiler portion between the exhaust outlets and lowered the rear light/trunk assembly so it was more in line with the level of the door, it would be better. I'm unmoved by it, for the most part. I like the GranTurismo more.
I love that concept so much. It just looks amazing. Luca Serafini is a university student in Parma...this guy has some serious talent. Ferrari or Pininfarina should hire him IMO. All the pics of the concept can be found here- http://www.autoblog.it/post/13926/ferrari-concept-2008-ancora-una-proposta-da-luca-serafini Also, here's a concept of a Lambo he did previously- http://www.autoblog.it/post/10607/lamborghini-embolado-quando-uno-studente-disegna-il-futuro/ ...doesn't look half as good as his Ferrari but I've never really liked Lambos anyway so...
I Think there has been far to much Ferrari bashin So its time for those people to put there money where there month is and tell us what type of car ferrari should be make in there minds. No change this change that But as a total package a new car so to speak.
But it is only a concept. A designer with no more obstacles than the limits of his own fantasy (and the wheels are a huge mistake). That is entirely different than designing an actual car that has to be built to modern quality and safety standards and that has to sell on different continents. Besides, I am sure some people would trash this one as well of Ferrari were to present it as a new mid-engined twelvecylinder or something. I think people have always been quick to dismiss a new Ferrari (I mean, has it ever been different) but history also teaches us that Ferrari´s look much better than the first factorypics suggest.
I agree. Had the Serafina car been built, a segment of Ferrari fans would have found something to hate about it as well. Anything new must be somehow awful. But then if it's too similar to something old then you're on a retro-bandwagon, copping out, and then that is hated, too. Best to just shove something in the public's face and let them b!tch. Miraculously the cars go to wait lists.
I'm sorry, I just can't agree with this. Take for example the Enzo, Saleen, MC12 and CGT - all mid engined supercars, quite long and low. Yet each one looks nothing like the other. If design reality really was how you portrayed it the automotive world really would be a boring place.
Yes, I agree. There is still some room for originality. There MUST be. Although must be admitted that those cars you mentioned have a quite extreme design, each in its own way, so I suppose that it´s easier to get to something original. By the way: has anybody realized that the 250 or 365 California were not so different to other cars of their era? Maybe we´re going too far with that stuff of "looks like a..."
Whenever a car is introduced it is very common for the public to come up with comparisons, good or bad... People on the sideline often only know how to talk about new things in terms of what they already know, even when the comparisons make no sense at all... Also the majority of the internet-users tends to wine and cry, while the people who rather speak in positive terms remain silent. Check the pole-topic: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197526 The amount of negative responds do not reflect the pole's outcome. This happens all over the internet on any subject... It is the first impression which determines the first public reactions. For the F149, I think the pictures are not the most flattering ones and that's a shame, because now the public has been given a stick to beat at any detail they can find. Some comparisons make no sense at all, but many can only react to some sort of familiar feeling they get from the first impression. The car feels slightly Japanese? All people shout Lexus and Honda, even if there is no clear similarity in shape and details... They see a bit of a hint to heritage? People shout this car can never live up to the original. Even if this car may not be intended as the spiritual successor of in this case the 250 GT California. Comparisons with the Poniac Solstice came up, but have people ever made any negative associations about the Solstice? There are plenty shapes and details of other cars te be found in the Solstice's design... When a car is an instant beauty (like for instance the 456 GT and maybe the 8C) the modern (mostly young) internet-users can find no reasons to b*tch about, but they still want to make comparisons to at least say something. In that case the comparisons with other cars or subtle or more direct links to heritage are being used as a compliment and the discussion dies quickly and changes into OOHHH, AAHHH and WOW. I would not take all the comparisons too seriously. People expect a WOW car, an instant beauty from Ferrari. A 'love it or hate it' design. Or better; a 'you cannot hate this' design. Looking at the pole, 32.46% of the Fchat voters are indifferent... and I think that's a lot. Is it because of the somewhat confusing love-or-hate-design? Maybe because of the not so flattering first pictures? I don't think it's bad if the public is devided about good or bad looks. If the majority of the public is indifferent about the design... then I would worry... If most people would say "it will grow on me" about one of my future designs, I would feel very bad. But then again, whose opinion is to be taken serious? Is the entire Fchat public the target? I guess not. However, the public opinion is more and more being determined by the reactions on internet, thanks to Google. The REAL public opinion can be affected by the online reactions more and more... therefore I think it would be good if the people who like the California let us know more they are there.
Updating and existing design is pretty easy. Designing a fresh car is hard, even for professionals. How much brand DNA do you leave in, how much do you leave out. What market segment is the target. So many determining factors go into the finished product...but one thing designers know for sure...they can't please everyone. If the like/hate ratio is 50/50 they can probably consider that a success....anything more to the like side is much more than a success.
Like all recent Ferraris, looks uninspiring in the fotos, but will look great in person. BTW, the California is not, repeat, not based on a Maser platform. It uses an aluminium space-frame designed and built in cooperation with Alcoa (like all present Ferraris). OTOE, The Granturismo/Alfa 8 C are built on the Quattroporte steel platform (wich incidently was originaly designed by Ferrari). The California will be built at a brand new assembly line in Maranello wich is about to be inaugurated next month.
At the start of this third day post revelation of the California, I look at the photos and immediately like what I see. This design, unlike the 599 (and 550/575 for that matter) which took me a little longer to warm to, has won me over. I see the beauty of this design and the point of its production. I truly believe that many Ferrari-Nuts, like myself, will see that the California is a good move for Ferrari and a pleasant design that will become easy to love.
My first view of the pictures was " got to see it live " .Strange proportions. Why are so many people bashing a car they have not even in person.? So stupid ! Ferrari's last mistake was a long time ago, and this car is no mistake.
