Interesting view point GM vs Ferrari

J. Salmon · May 22, 2008

I think the first thing you need to do is OWN a Ferrari. But then you probably won't have time for all this typing, since you'll be fighting off the ladies with a stick.

Bavarian Motorist · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

It's not about fake boobs... It's about Ferrari..... It's a work of art, it's the best, it's the most exclusive, it's the world champs, it's Enzo, it's the mystic, and most of all it's the car, the performance of the car and it's the Tubi music from the car. There is no other car on the planet with the mystic, the following, the performance and everyone knows it. It's something that Chevrolet, Mercedes, BMW and no other car company has never had and will never have and comparing GM and Ferrari is like comparing a sterile rat to a Stallion... You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. A ferrari car has a soul, a GM car is just that... A stupid car.... Ferrari are Formula one world champs, they will be again this year, they have been twice as many times as any other company in the world... Corvettes are one car from an automotive giant while every Ferrari is special... Again, Corvettes are just that, a stupid car.....

I am glad that Chevrolet has finally come up with a couple of competitive cars after 100 years of being in business, but Ferrari has been making competitive cars for it's entire history, and the Corvette is the top of the line at Chevrolet, the F430 is not, and there are more than a handful of Ferrari's that eat the sterile vette for lunch in fact my Maserati Coupe has similar performance to the Z06 vette in stock trim, and that's according to Car and Driver, not me...

All those who think their Corvette is something to behold, again park it along side a Ferrari, see which one get's the attention, it won't be the vette because it's just that, a stupid car and not a Ferrari...

There are plenty of old Ferrari's that get 10 to 11 million at auction because it's a Ferrari and soon if the economy keeps going the way it is and GM keeps building cars they way they do, they will be for sell for about the same price... The richest of the rich own Ferrari, could care less about Chevy, they are just that, a stupid car and not a Ferrari...

Ford is the only company that has tried to compete against Ferrari, they lost, GM knew they couldn't compete and they still can't and they know it. They compete on the street with the F430, not the Scud, and no way with the Enzo, the FXX, the FXX Evolutione, etc... Again, all Ferrari's have a soul, a corvette is a sterile piece of steel...

You can say this is just my opinion, but it's the opinion of 99% of the worlds population as well.. Give any person the option of owning a Corvette or an equivalent Ferrari, the Ferrari will be chosen...
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WOW!

First of all, your Maserati coupe performs better than a Z06? I'm not trying to be rude, but is that a joke? In what aspect of performance does the Maser outperform or even NEAR perform the Z06?

Secondly, Ferraris are just cars also. There's nothing magical about them like people think. Just high-priced technology and an exclusive badge. It's just physics and science. Enzo didn't leave a part of his soul in each Ferrari like people seem to think.

Thirdly, the reason a Ferrari will get more attention than a Corvette is because Corvettes are commonplace and people are familiar with them. A Ferrari is relatively rare and it represents an exclusive, expensive brand.

Now what if that Corvette was the Ferrari; produced in low numbers and cost a lot of money? People would give it the same attention.

There's nothing magical about that. It's quite simple. And it's the same reason most people favor Ferrari to Corvettes.

kovachian · May 22, 2008

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Shumdit · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

It's not about fake boobs... It's about Ferrari..... It's a work of art, it's the best, it's the most exclusive, it's the world champs, it's Enzo, it's the mystic, and most of all it's the car, the performance of the car and it's the Tubi music from the car. There is no other car on the planet with the mystic, the following, the performance and everyone knows it. It's something that Chevrolet, Mercedes, BMW and no other car company has never had and will never have and comparing GM and Ferrari is like comparing a sterile rat to a Stallion... You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. A ferrari car has a soul, a GM car is just that... A stupid car.... Ferrari are Formula one world champs, they will be again this year, they have been twice as many times as any other company in the world... Corvettes are one car from an automotive giant while every Ferrari is special... Again, Corvettes are just that, a stupid car.....

I am glad that Chevrolet has finally come up with a couple of competitive cars after 100 years of being in business, but Ferrari has been making competitive cars for it's entire history, and the Corvette is the top of the line at Chevrolet, the F430 is not, and there are more than a handful of Ferrari's that eat the sterile vette for lunch in fact my Maserati Coupe has similar performance to the Z06 vette in stock trim, and that's according to Car and Driver, not me...

All those who think their Corvette is something to behold, again park it along side a Ferrari, see which one get's the attention, it won't be the vette because it's just that, a stupid car and not a Ferrari...

There are plenty of old Ferrari's that get 10 to 11 million at auction because it's a Ferrari and soon if the economy keeps going the way it is and GM keeps building cars they way they do, they will be for sell for about the same price... The richest of the rich own Ferrari, could care less about Chevy, they are just that, a stupid car and not a Ferrari...

Ford is the only company that has tried to compete against Ferrari, they lost, GM knew they couldn't compete and they still can't and they know it. They compete on the street with the F430, not the Scud, and no way with the Enzo, the FXX, the FXX Evolutione, etc... Again, all Ferrari's have a soul, a corvette is a sterile piece of steel...

You can say this is just my opinion, but it's the opinion of 99% of the worlds population as well.. Give any person the option of owning a Corvette or an equivalent Ferrari, the Ferrari will be chosen...
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PLEASE don't tell me you don't actually own a Ferrari. If you don't the laughter will likely make me piss myself. Actually, please tell me you don't own one, because I would hate for people to associate me with some pompass ass who drinks the Kool Aid and thinks Ferraris are somehow untouchable in the automotive realm. I love Ferrari's, but you make it sound like sitting in one is the same as a 30 day long orgasm.

GrndLkNatv · May 22, 2008

but now own Maserati's, need 4 seats, have wife and kids... She said no more two seaters so I bought the next best thing, and she got the 4 door version..

And yes my Maserati Coupe will run with a stock Z06 and it's a hell of a lot more luxurious ride...

CORVETTE C5 Z06 PERFORMANCE STATS AND SPECS

2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Performance Specs from Road and Track...
RT
0-60 mph(sec) 4.6
0-100-0 mph - - 14.01 -
1/4 mile(sec@mph) [email protected]
60 - 0 mph(ft) 123
Lateral Accelaration(g) 1.00
Top Speed(mph/kph) 174.8/281.3
Credit for Corvette Z06 performance statistics goes to Road and Track(RT).

2002 Maserati Coupe Statistics Courtesty of Car and Driver..

4.7 seconds needed to reach 60 mph
The clock shows 110 at the end of a 13.2-second quarter-mile
With my sport springs I also match the g's in the corners...

So again, the Z06 vette is not that much car, rides like a old horse pulled wagon, etc..

Shumdit · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

but now own Maserati's, need 4 seats, have wife and kids... She said no more two seaters so I bought the next best thing, and she got the 4 door version..

And yes my Maserati Coupe will run with a stock Z06 and it's a hell of a lot more luxurious ride...

CORVETTE C5 Z06 PERFORMANCE STATS AND SPECS

2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Performance Specs from Road and Track...
RT
0-60 mph(sec) 4.6
0-100-0 mph - - 14.01 -
1/4 mile(sec@mph) [email protected]
60 - 0 mph(ft) 123
Lateral Accelaration(g) 1.00
Top Speed(mph/kph) 174.8/281.3
Credit for Corvette Z06 performance statistics goes to Road and Track(RT).

2002 Maserati Coupe Statistics Courtesty of Car and Driver..

4.7 seconds needed to reach 60 mph
The clock shows 110 at the end of a 13.2-second quarter-mile
With my sport springs I also match the g's in the corners...

So again, the Z06 vette is not that much car, rides like a old horse pulled wagon, etc..
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02??? Hell, let's compare it to a 73 454 Vette with all the emissions crap. I think you should compare a C6 Z06 to it.

GrndLkNatv · May 22, 2008

My Maserati on it's worst day is better than any Corvette on it's best day.... Not only the ride, the looks, the sound, all of it... I wouldn't own a stinking vette of any kind even it you gave it to me....

BTW, yes 02, paid 115k for it new. Paid about 124k for my wifes.. I will be upgrading to the new Gran Turismo here soon, when it arrives on the boat, trading in the coupe.. It makes a new vette look like a garbage truck... And the whole driving experience behind the new Gran Turismo is something the Corvette will never be able to come close to for all of eternity.... BTW, I have not found a vette yet that can catch me on the highway at top speed, they usually quit around 155 or so, I have had my car up to 175mph racing a modified charger SRT-8 whose doors I blew off the road...

Testacojones · May 22, 2008

RBK said: ↑

I was on the Corvette and offered the following to be followed by a very interesting perspective. Thought I would share.

Originally Posted by RBK
The ZR-1, truly respecting the drive train, suspension, brakes, and expensive paint, is a "fast" Corvette.. What do we compare it to if we eliminate the speed per se? To me. GM has built another "hot rod" (a fine tradition incidentally), still lacking the refinement and elegance of Ferrari, Bentley, Porsche, etc. GM has made a great car, but it has now left the stadium and entered the concert hall where raucous behavior is no longer tolerated. Best

RESPONSE:

With all due respect to your question , I suspect you are using an extremely narrow and highly selective view of refinement and elegance to broadly and inaccurately paint a favorable picture of the marques in question at the Corvettes expense. So lets take a more detailed look at things over the past decade using one of the marques, Ferrari, you cited.

1. From a technical refinement standard why do you think the Ferrari 456 GTA used a GM/Corvette transmission?

2. The optional run-flat tires on the F430 are a GM/Goodyear design which Ferrari has now effectively licensed for use. As with the 456 GTA Ferrari is apparently satisfied with the components level of technical refinement

3. In the same vein, the magnetic suspension system on the Flagship Ferrari 599 GTB was originally developed by GM/Delphi for use in the C5 and is now used on the Ferrari with the express permission of those two companies. Are we supposed to be impressed by technology on a current $300,000 Ferrari that is essentially derived from a generation old Corvette?

4. The Corvette Z06 has approximately 40% better EPA fuel economy than an F430. It does this while exceeding the rated horsepower and torque of an F430. To add insult to injury, it does this without penalty of the $4,500 gas-guzzler tax you get on an F430. In this engineering refinement context it is Ferrari that is still wandering the stadium.

5. The Corvette has 150% more cargo capacity than an F430.

6. In a world that sees 10,000 people killed in side-impact crashes the Corvette has government-mandated side-airbags and second generation frontal airbags. The F430 has neither. Instead, Ferrari petitions the government for waivers while claiming that it cannot integrate such systems cost-effectively. They seem to hope that customers will dodge such crashes over the vehicle's production life till they get their act together. Note what happened to one of the first F430's Car and Driver was going to test as it was enroute to the test site.

7. Why is Ferraris warranty only 2/24 as opposed to GMs 3/36 with a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty?

8. Ever seen what passes for a NAV system in an F430?

9. No HUD with its integrated NAV.

10. The patented hydroforming technique used to give the Corvette frame its inherent strength is such that a Corvette convertible with a power top requires no additional structural bracing and can meet rollover standards for a hardtop car even though it does not have to. The F430 convertible requires an additional 22 lbs. of bracing and to the best of my knowledge cannot meet that rollover standard.

Again, with all due respect to your question, I find that people who go on about the refinement supposedly inherent to Ferraris cars are first often guilty of selective enforcement. They see nothing wrong with the crude interior of Ferraris landmark F40 but would be appalled if GMs similar performance flagship was so severe. In the same vein, Ferraris Enzo is excused for having manual windows, no stereo, NAV system or side-impact airbags, a significantly shorter warranty and precious little cargo space. All factors the Vette would have been swiftly assailed for. Its shocking fuel mileage relative to the Vette and a problem endemic to all current Ferraris is quickly and routinely overlooked.

So whats left? Higher quality interior materials? Now we come down to the hyper-narrow vision of refinement and elegance.

A 3LZ Z06 is an $80,420 car. The F430 is $173,079. Base. A 599 is $280,295 base. For $92,659 and $199,875 more (mind you, loaded Vette to BASE Ferraris) respectively I should hope you would get better materials. Actually, you would be wrong. Virtually every interior nicety on these cars is an option. Look at the details from Car and Drivers test of the 599 for an illustrative list compared to the approximately $100,000 ZR1:

The expensive ceramic brake set ($18,550), Bose stereo ($3,260), leather rear shelf ($2,418 you didnt think that was standard at the price did you?), the nice Daytona style seats ($3,035), carbon-fiber interior trim $5,621 and the iPod connector ($821 you didnt think that was standard did you?), leather ceiling ($439) and auto-dimming rearview mirror ($371 here but free on a base Vette), fender badges ($1,742 believe it and yes fender badges are free on both the Z06 and ZR1) are all options.

Yes, you read the preceding correctly. The options that bring a typical 599 up to the standard you see in most magazines will run you $36,257. GM provides about $23,923 of the 599s option package cost content on the ZR1 for free. That option package alone exceeded the net salary of 70% of U.S. taxpayers who make $50,000 or less. You own a Bentley. Be careful about assuming that the rest of the world does or has a similar approach to buying cars..

Refinement is a combination of fit, finish, feature, function and technical excellence. The Corvette can hold its own and then some on all but, arguably, finish. But to that I would point to the towering price tag of any Ferrari offered up for comparison. If all the extra $100,000+ brought is fine Corinthian leather while taking the technical engineering steps outlined above backward then I would say that what one see as a refinement advantage in a more expensive car depends on the severity of ones nearsightedness.
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You forgot to mention the power seats that are optional on Ferraris.

Testacojones · May 22, 2008

All the Corvette driver has to do is cross the border to Mexico to feel the exotic car feel from the masses. And if a Ferrari shows up who cares, you're are still cool as hell.

Shumdit · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

My Maserati on it's worst day is better than any Corvette on it's best day.... Not only the ride, the looks, the sound, all of it... I wouldn't own a stinking vette of any kind even it you gave it to me....

BTW, yes 02, paid 115k for it new. Paid about 124k for my wifes.. I will be upgrading to the new Gran Turismo here soon, when it arrives on the boat, trading in the coupe.. It makes a new vette look like a garbage truck... And the whole driving experience behind the new Gran Turismo is something the Corvette will never be able to come close to for all of eternity.... BTW, I have not found a vette yet that can catch me on the highway at top speed, they usually quit around 155 or so, I have had my car up to 175mph racing a modified charger SRT-8 whose doors I blew off the road...
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So you and the wife and kids street race at 175 MPH?

GrndLkNatv · May 22, 2008

I didn't say where either did I? ; - )

I don't race with the kids in the car, the wife, well that's a different story.....

We as a family usually drive from our home in Denver to our lake home in Grand Lake on the weekends during summer months in either her car or mine.. Berthod Pass is a lot of fun in the coupe...

Shumdit · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

I didn't say where either did I? ; - )

I don't race with the kids in the car, the wife, well that's a different story.....

We as a family usually drive from our home in Denver to our lake home in Grand Lake on the weekends during summer months in either her car or mine.. Berthod Pass is a lot of fun in the coupe...
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See, we have different ways. My Wife and I take seperate flights when we travel without the kids. The reason being in case anything happened the kids would not lose both parents (even though the odds are very long that a plane would crash, much more likely to have a car accident). I can not think of racing or in any other way endangering my kids future by having them orphaned. I even gave up motorcycles when we started our family, although I miss having one.

J. Salmon · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

My Maserati on it's worst day is better than any Corvette on it's best day.... Not only the ride, the looks, the sound, all of it... I wouldn't own a stinking vette of any kind even it you gave it to me....

BTW, yes 02, paid 115k for it new. Paid about 124k for my wifes.. I will be upgrading to the new Gran Turismo here soon, when it arrives on the boat, trading in the coupe.. It makes a new vette look like a garbage truck... And the whole driving experience behind the new Gran Turismo is something the Corvette will never be able to come close to for all of eternity.... BTW, I have not found a vette yet that can catch me on the highway at top speed, they usually quit around 155 or so, I have had my car up to 175mph racing a modified charger SRT-8 whose doors I blew off the road...
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You are absolutely the kind of guy that gives Ferrari a bad name. And Maserati now too. Good bye.

anunakki · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

You can say this is just my opinion, but it's the opinion of 99% of the worlds population as well..
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I heard that 78.2% of all non sunscribed FChatters make up statistics !

VIZSLA · May 22, 2008

anunakki said: ↑

I heard that 78.2% of all non sunscribed FChatters make up statistics !
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But only half the time

GrndLkNatv · May 22, 2008

Quote: "You are absolutely the kind of guy that gives Ferrari a bad name. And Maserati now too. Good bye."

Response: Whatever....

BTW... I am originally from Roanoke not far from where you are.....

Bavarian Motorist · May 22, 2008

anunakki said: ↑

I heard that 78.2% of all non sunscribed FChatters make up statistics !
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Off topic, but why the hell does being subscribed make people feel so Godly? The truth is that we generate money for the owner whether we are subscribed or not just by posting and being a user.

Simon^2 · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv said: ↑

Quote: "You are absolutely the kind of guy that gives Ferrari a bad name. And Maserati now too. Good bye."

Response: Whatever....

BTW... I am originally from Roanoke not far from where you are.....
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So you're not a Grand Lake Native?

GrndLkNatv · May 22, 2008

GrndLkNatv is for Grand Lake Colorado, the place my father moved us too when he retired from the USAF when I was 5 years old. My fathers family and my mothers family were all from Virginia, Father's from Roanoke, Mothers from Charlottesville... Anyway there are no real natives from Grand Lake, Colorado, population 278... Everybody has moved there from somewhere else but I have been there since March, 1970 and I am called a native...

Simon^2 · May 22, 2008

Bavarian Motorist said: ↑

Off topic, but why the hell does being subscribed make people feel so Godly? The truth is that we generate money for the owner whether we are subscribed or not just by posting and being a user.
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Because that $15/year is big Ka-Ching. That's $0.04/day. Not chump change. You have to have some serious expendable income to justify that extravagance. It's from that high thrown that we can look down upon those poor unsubscribed users. God I hope the wink wasn't necessary!

GrndLkNatv · May 22, 2008

I could get a couple gallons of gas for that!!!

Zzono · May 22, 2008

californiaspyderplease said: ↑

Ferrari is about the passion of a man who didn't want to sell road cars but had to to pay for his racing, a man who sent numerous drivers to their deaths without so much as a blink because he felt racing took that sort of commitment. A company whose lifeblood is racing.
Corvettes are about getting your younger bottle-blonde wife with implants something that she thinks she looks good in. Not the same my friends.
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nowadays, most people buy ferrari because most important point is racing which makes the people proud...and they feel like racers by owning ferrari..but in real they never race..
and in MY OPINION it is ridiculous
Do not get me wrong...I love ferrari....I love classic cars and super ferraris.

Bavarian Motorist · May 22, 2008

Simon^2 said: ↑

Because that $15/year is big Ka-Ching. That's $0.04/day. Not chump change. You have to have some serious expendable income to justify that extravagance. It's from that high thrown that we can look down upon those poor unsubscribed users. God I hope the wink wasn't necessary!
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Well, gee, now it suddenly makes sense!

Shumdit · May 22, 2008

Simon^2 said: ↑

Because that $15/year is big Ka-Ching. That's $0.04/day. Not chump change. You have to have some serious expendable income to justify that extravagance. It's from that high thrown that we can look down upon those poor unsubscribed users. God I hope the wink wasn't necessary!
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I am saving up to be able to subscribe. Working 2 jobs and eating lots of Ramen cup o' noodles just to see that magical "Silver Subscribed below my name", but I will there one day soon!

anunakki · May 22, 2008

Bavarian Motorist said: ↑

Off topic, but why the hell does being subscribed make people feel so Godly? The truth is that we generate money for the owner whether we are subscribed or not just by posting and being a user.
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Simons answer was better than mine will be...

Because I dont think $15 yr is too much to ask to support an incredible site. yes I know all users (okay most) users add value but its $15 !

Didnt mean to touch a nerve and offend you !

At this time I must return to my elitist perch in the subscribed section...carry on...

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