the nasty note

Ashman:
I honestly did not know how much other countries paid in taxes for gasoline and diesel. I had been led to believe that taxes European countries imposed on fuel was the reason they paid much more for the fuel there. I don't know that for a fact, and that is why I asked and I asked also to get Far Out to think about why the US pays "ridiculously" low prices for fuel. Seems(when it comes to fuel costs) that European residents are also being screwed by their respective governments and if Americans do not stay on top of it, we are going to be in the same position. More government is NOT the answer. I say kick them all out and change the locks.
N Dennis

 

Actually the 93 octane fuel in the USA is (basically) the same as the 98 octane fuel in Europe. The octane ratings use different systems. In Europe the Research Octane Number is used, while across the pond the Motor Octane Number is averaged with the RON.

 

Update. Checked last nite as I was filling up in North Bavaria commuting to my job in Central Bavaria. Gas tax was 0.75 € Cents per liter.

Oh BTW, they are eliminating No-Lead Regular this year. They will have just Super and Premium.

 

I love it!

This is why so many of the 'greenies' are a bunch of ignorant, egotistical hypocrites. The same people they support (ie politicians) are doing the exact opposite of what they lobby for/against. They're just so bloated with smugness, they don't see what's really going on.

I believe I read something about the enviro's wanting to do something about the cow farts in the past. Changing their feed to something that gave them less methane expulsion.

Plain and simple, people will never understand what car guys are truly about. They just keep thinking it's guys who are trying to make up for other things. That's fine. They can believe what they want, but God help them because they could all use a little common sense.

 

One thing that has held true is that though many people do not own exotics, many people aspire to own them which may ultimately protect them.


Just look at this site. I bet 99.99% of members here will want exotics to remain virtually untouched; but 99.99% of members here do not own exotics.



EDIT: I phrased that wrong. I meant those 99.99% are not all exotic owners.

 

+1, you should repost this in P&R

 

Driving a Ferrari is patriotic.For instance i live in the country with the cheapest gas price.12 cents per gallon.And i am Italian,So what could be more patriotic?? The problem here, is that i dont own a Ferrari.

Well i should get back to class.
Ciao

 

I believe it's only been two years. Wasn't it after the 2006 mid-term elections that they took over control?

 

And at that time weren't we promised by our government that steps would be taken to insure we would never again be so dependent on foreign oil?

 

in reference to Europe paying less for fuel than the US, aside from NY and possibly Chicago the US does not have an infrastructure to cost effectively get around with public transportation. I can't even take the new light rail to the shop here without having to drive 10miles there first, and then the closest stop is still 8miles from the shop. the route time to travel the 15miles is 56mins the cost 10$. that's more than gas for the week and I still have to drive 10miles and walk back 8miles, or get a bus which doesn't come out here for some odd reason.

I used to ride my bike to work yrs ago, now it's far to dangerous and there are no small roads between the counties I live and work in, or I'd ride.

so to me the comparison doesn't work, it's and apples and oranges argument.

 

Rant all you want. THEN do your homework. You'll find that 90% of what you said was factually inaccurate. Period. Remember the channel 4 expose regarding "global warming fraud"? What you might not recall, is that someone took apart that little hit piece and found they'd doctored the data. In short, the attack on global warming was a fraud. There isn't a single study that says that global warming isn't assisted by man. Not a single peer reviewed study. Given the money behind the trashing of this theory, you'd expect they'd have funded at least one, but you know, if guess there weren't enough whores around, and they couldn't find a single scientist, not one, who'd attempt a peer reviewed study. Think about that for a while.

As to the argument about those of us with planes. They are business tools, perhaps you'd like for us to go back to the horse and buggy stage. I think not. However, if we do make adjustments, i.e., hold down our energy use, you call that hypocracy.

So do your rant, but at least do your homework. We don't have to go back to being cavemen, we just have to work smart, and that means when we commute, we use a fuel efficient car, or truck, commensurate to the purpose, not a 6000# SUV to carry a 98# lady.

Most of us have had enough of the right. They had power for the last 8 years, and we are where we are as a direct result of their policies. I suspect they are going the way of most extinct species.

Art

 

Actually there has been a democratic majority for the last 2 years, however, they aren't in control. Unless the Senate overrides the fillibuster rules, there is a deadlock, and it shows.

Art

 

Oh, please...

 

A disingenuous argument *because* the Senate hasn't proposed anything worthy of a filibuster, or put another way, no important Senate policy has even been proposed, much less filibustered.

It's a do-nothing Congress...with an "excuse" of the filibuster that no right-thinking person would accept.

 

What kind of mileage does an Abrams tank get? Maybe we should be redirecting our anger?

 

You'd propose less armor for our troops to go green?

 

Not so. There have been several instances where legislation wasn't presented as a result of a filibuster. Examples:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/17/dodds-filibuster-threat-_n_77220.html

http://pnohio.3cdn.net/0bba13531646387f72_gcm6ivcg7.pdf

As for the alleged study: take a look at it. It isn't published in any recognized journal, it isn't peer reviewed. Peer review is a process where someone in the same field checks the data, and then verifies that the facts, and methology is accurate. The sited items aren't peer reviewed. Nice try, but no cigar.

Art

 

Incorrect. The points are:
#1: the legislation in question isn't significant (what in the world would *really* change if passed?!)

and

#2: it's not the filibuster (60 Senate votes to overcome), but the **veto** (66 Senate votes to overcome) that poses the major current obstacle to radical legislation.

Incorrect. I gave you a link to a study of studies, and an abstract that summed up all of *those* peer-reviewed studies.

 

*****in (complaining to) at my wife because she drives a truck to the mall isn't going to help anything. What qualifies any off you lefties to judge anyone, least of all her. You have no Idea why she does it, you just don't like it. An easy target for a holy'er than thou. You are not armed with the facts of her life but your opinions regarding her life and mine never run short. There's lots of things you do that I find to be amazingly ignorant. Trying to run me off the road in the name of ecology for one.

True, we should all do our part to be better citizens of the world. That includes maintaining an awareness of conservation, not to SAVE the environment, but because its the right thing to do. It also includes minding our own business and doing what we can everyday. Capitalism as defined by todays society requires energy...lots of energy. We all enjoy the fruits of capitalism everyday. From our morning coffee at Dunkin Donuts (FYI, those Arabica beans are not locally grown) to our magificent Ferrari's.

I have noticed a vast improvement over my lifetime and expect it to continue. There no more styrofoam burger boxes littering our highways. There is dramatic improvements in recylcing. Even those SUV's being attacked are far superior to your parents Buick in both mileage and exhaust gases.

Quit your *****in (complaining) , do your part, and mind your business. We will get were you want to go.

 

IMHO

The issue is the pointless use of fuel, a 7 seater, dessert crossing, 7 litre fuel burning monster is very useful if you need to carry out a mission to attack some small country somewhere, or just for offroad use. But, can someone explain why it is useful for taking the kids to school. Couldnt you just use a 2 litre van ??.
And further when the population of some countries start paying the same price for fuel the population of the UK or Europe pay they will start to realize there is a correlation between "pointless" fuel use and low average IQ. Sure if you can afford it, go out and and drive a pointless journey from a to b and back to a, and if not, you wont.
As for Ferrari's, there is a point where they are fairly seriously fuel efficient for normal use. They use new technologies, are light, and at 60mph will be fuel effecient. Further considering the annual mileage in them is quite often tiny, well you end up with an inconsequential issue. A similar issue is being made regarding motorsport and the use of fuel for that. Potentially it is a fair call, but when you consider motorsport consumes less than (Approx.) .0000000001% of the fuel used each year, big F*&^$#ing deal.
As for my solution - has anyone considered how burning something like oil to create electricity, and then using that electricity in a car is as pointless as using food to make bio-fuels, give me a break. What the world needs unfortunately is a decent mix of fuel efficient cars like "ricers/ euros" for the daily commute/ school run and special use cars for the weekend. When considering the latest tech in cars like the Volkswagon Bluemotion or equivalent I really dont think you need to do anything just support the American car companies getting that tech into their '09 models.

Finally, if anyone wants to kick my ass, BRING IT ON. (Alternatively you try giving us a beter solution to the issue, maybe give every SUV owner a gun LOL)

Tim

 

I can try to explain this but please understand, I should not have to. Its one of the major reasons I live in America.


I own a 2.0L Audi that gets ~30MPG, a 3.4L Ferrari that gets <20MPG, and a 5.3L Yukon that gets around 18 highway and 14 city. I drive huge (>60k) miles every year throughout New England as a function of my job. I need the power made available by the Yukon to tow trailers, handle large loads, and a miriad of other "necessary" functions in both my business and personnal life. When its not absolutely necessary, I leave the Yukon at home and take the Audi. This leaves a choice. The wife can deliver the kids to school, do her grocery shopping, and (god forbid) visit the mall in my Ferrari or the Yukon. You pick it. Or should I be even more wasteful and purchase yet another car just for her town driving totaling maybe 5k per year. Or perhaps I should not be so selfish and take the Yukon on the long trips so she doesn't get accosted by the eco-warriors minding everyones business but there own. Don't kid yourself, this is not fiction. She regularly calls me in tears about some jerk at the mall. I have noticed the judgemental idiots are less willing to be mouthy when I'm driving the Yuk. Hmmmm I wonder why thats true????

 

I think it's 4 gallons per mile. Yes 4 gallons per mile. And I think it uses jet fuel which isn't cheap.

 

IMO it won't be affected at all. Seeing an exotic is a rarity for most people and will only continue to be. You'll always have the morons but most appreciate it and don't equate an exotic the same way they do the stereotypical, glutenous, soon to be extinct, Hummer. I also think that high gas and getting higher will only drive more sports cars into hiding so a siting will be even more special moving forward.

 

The problem is generally with the orthodox environmentalists. They are less fun and more judgemental than the orthodox of just about any other religion, save for one or two.