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  1. chairpilot

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    #1 chairpilot, Jun 28, 2008
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    For a year now I've "ignored" the slow oil leaking. But now I want to attack this and at least figure out the source. But first, I've got to clean off the lower surfaces. What do you all recommend as the best procedure I can do (maybe in my yard legally?):


    Gunk or mineral spirits with a water hose spray followup?
    Hit & run a coin car wash bay late one night?
    Pay a local ferrari repair shop to do this as part of an oil change/minimal service?

    Simple Green using a tooth brush on my back upside down does not sound quick, efficient or very exciting.

    The top area is actually decent. only the bottom half is a mess.

    Thanks,

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  2. eulk328

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    Jeeez.... you consider that dirty?? Pretty clean for a Ferrari :)

    Engine degreaser, pressure washer, Simple Green.... whatever works/is handy.

    Don't know what's legal or not in your area. Certainly would not be where I live.
     
  3. Pizzaman Chris

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    Hey, wait a minute Bob. That looks like my dirty engine! :D
     
  4. chairpilot

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    #4 chairpilot, Jun 28, 2008
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    I guess I'm a bit anal, remember?

    If I rent a low psi washer (say about 2500 psi) is there anything I could hurt from hitting these areas from below?

    My current plan would be to drive the car onto a large 9'x12' plastic tarp, turn up the sides of the tarp with some 2x4's to contain the debris and water, put on a disposable full Tyvek suit and have at it with the rear of the car up on the jack stands about 18".

    Taking it to a shop somewhere sounds a lot better!
     
  5. Jdubbya

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    Bob,

    Here is a post that one of our locals up here posted a while back. I always refer to it when somebody asks about cleaning up the engine bay. The car in the post is now in a new owner's hands and it still looks great! http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79081

    Personally, I just did the...."crawl under it with some Griot's engine de-greaser and a spray bottle of water to rinse it off" routine. Of course I did mine in the garage while I had the rest of the car apart too.
     
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  7. ollie

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    No engine likes water. Use break dust cleaner. This is used by most, if not all, F1, Champ cars (now INDY) race cars and others. Most brand name part house carries it.
     
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    Be a little carefull with brake cleaner. I have had it disolve some paint on parts lke the oil cooler shroud. Maybe a less energetic cleaner, like safety solvent and a brush would be good.

    hth,
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  9. Verell

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    #9 Verell, Jun 29, 2008
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    Add 'Gunk Concentrate' to mineral spirits(paint thinner), The Gunk concentrate will both speed up the thinner's solvent action, and the mix will emulsify, so can be water rinsed off. Alternatively, use a commercial grade citrus parts cleaner. Brush in well with a stiff brush to break up deposits. Either will get almost everything off except for stuff embedded in the casting pores.

    Napa sells an Aluminum cleaner in a hand squirt bottle, spray on, let set, rinse off. Repeat a couple of times. You'll have bright Al.

    Do NOT use a pressure washer anywhere near the alternator, water pump, cam belt covers, cam seals, cam gears, cam belt drive gears, or crank damper. The pressure will drive the water right thru the seals & quickly rust things. Ditto for the distributors & half-shafts.

    Rinsing with a hose is OK as long as you don't aim it straight onto seals.
     
  10. Argento839

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    I would be scared of a pressure washer too. In addition to all of the concerns you have listed, I would be worried about wiring too.
     
  11. Spasso

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    Low pressure is 800 psi like found on cheap electric units.
    That's what I used.
     
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    I use that as well. It works great.

    I agree!

    I am always judicious in where I aim the nozzle. I also cap, bag and duct tape ALL sensitive areas before spraying with pressure. Just a little common sense.

    My engines have always started, never missed and all electrical has functioned without problems.

    When I pick up a car that has 20 years of grime and crap on the belly pan, suspension, wheel wells and running gear it gets a good coat of Simple Green and left to soak for 12 hours. My low-pressure sprayer (600/800psi) makes short work of the scum without collateral damage.

    Once I get the initial crap blown off the car it only takes an application of cleaner and a light spray with hot water from the hose to make it like new..
     
  13. chairpilot

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    Thanks Guys!!
     
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    Before you clean it up, look up from underneath the engine (probably the right rear) to see if you can find the oil leak. You will be able to trace the leak back to its source by looking for the "clean" area - i.e. where the oil has been running down and "cleaning" the dirt away.

    As for cleaning, I put plastic down on the driveway, cover that with newspaper, back the car over the area, jack it up onto jack stands, warm up the engine and Gunk it to death. Then powerwash it down with hot water (low power). Use compressed air to blow it dry. If you are gunking the top of the engine, be sure the blow out and dry the spark plug wells.
     
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    Good tip about the "clean trail" Paul, thanks. I also intended to copy your cleaning procedure down to the letter. Now to go and find about 100 lbs. of newspaper!!!
     
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    Why would you want to remove all that rust proofing?

    Cheers,
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  18. Spasso

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    Three things come to mind,
    Crankcase ventilation system on the L/H side of your engine may be the culprit dumping oil on your clutch housing
    OR the oil lines to the oil cooler are leaking.

    The oil and dirt under the rear head, around the differential housing looks like the differential seals are due and/or a split or two in the axle boots.

    You won't always find a clean trail when the stuff is flung from a rotating object, like an axle.

    The best way to find a leak is clean the car thoroughly and start a regular schedule of inspections with a mirror and flashlight.
     
  19. chairpilot

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    Yah, I am heading in that direction . The two boots seem pretty dry. First.....the cleaning!!!
     
  20. Verell

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    Actually, the best way, but pricey, is clean up as much as possible, at night, put the car up on a lift, put UV dye in the oil, then start the engine, turn off the lights, & use a UV light to see where the leak appears. You may need both a trouble light sized UV light, as well as a small 'pencil' LED light.

    Clean oil can travel a surprisingly long way before it either gets dirty, or shows up as drips.

    One source of oil in the area in question is a cam seal, cam cover gasket, or distributor gasket leak. Any of these can flow along the head-cam cover joint until it finds something to drip down onto.,
     
  21. Modeler

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    That is a great idea.
    Can you recomend a brand or source of UV dye?
     
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    #22 Spasso, Jul 1, 2008
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    I think my brother gets his through Snap-on. You can probably get it through a "real" auto parts store like NAPA.
    ANY black light bulb will work if it's bright enough, found at party stores.
     

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