As I have said many many many many times before it makes NO ODDS to me where he comes from. And fortunately on here, many others irrespective from where there from, see it differently than you. Ironic, you cling on to this belief that Lewis is not sorry and is damaging the image of the sport, whilst you defend Max Mosleys actions. And again Ironic ,you bang on stupid about mistakes, as if your boy Massa has a clean sheet in this department, quite ironic. Mind numbing. BTW did you tell your friends, British Isles talks BS...
So your an illegal immigrant living in California then I might as well join in with all the other assumptions that go on on this forum
Well i am not from the States thank god Is that a picture of you in your aviator? Its all making sense now And for every ones information i dont care that LH is British, i would point out the obvious no matter were the guy came from. Some one else mentioned the Brit thing not me.
Aren't we all immigrants to some extent? My opinion of Hami is well documented here. Hami is a great raw talent, but does he have the maturity to eliminate some of his stupid mistakes and race "Smart" to become a WDC? Only time will tell. But a few of his countymen have come here defending him with words of, lack of achievement, immigrant, Mosely supporters, rich yank, arm chair critics, etc. I prefer to stick to the actual issue rather than resorting to diversional tactics.
You still do not get it do you.......that is what is truly "mind numbing". I never defended Max Mosley's actions. I stated that what he does in private is his own business. Same applies to Hamilton. The difference is that Hamilton's actions are quite public and within F1. Both on the track and in the press room. FACT: no one driver has made the same level of mistakes in the last 9 months as Hamilton. Not one. He throws away a championship when it was in his pocket, he runs into the back of a stopped car in the pits during a red light period, he makes a pass that could not be completed without cutting a corner, he drove his last race in frustration locking up brakes at almost every corner, he talks down the very media that originally put him on that pedestal, what else do you want to hear? Raikkonen slapped the rear of another car in Monaco, that was brain fade also. But Massa has done what in comparison? He spun out the first two races, collecting no other car, and is now leading the WDC. Even when he was being slammed by the media after those first two races, Massa never got on stage and acted like an ass. As did Hamilton. And at the end of the 2007 season he was winning the very last race in Brazil. But then, he is a team player.
Totally agree with you, but i am inclined to point out to you that at least 70% of anything posted about Lewis Hamilton on this section is usually assumption, misconstrewed ,wishful thinking, speculation or just BS. And not based on fact, just hate based. Its realy sad.
It's one thing to state your opinion based on facts (possibly skewed) or even speculation, but to out and out resort to unrelated and non-based subject matter to defend your man is what is really the BS IMHO. I'm not sure I have seen anyone actually hate a particular driver though.
None based subject matter?? Like the original question that i asked, who's laughing the most? Or are you making it up as you go along? What are you talking about man? This is hardly a serious thread its a silly one.
I would agree, this issue with the sailboat is meaningless. Hamilton just had a bit of bad luck. I would disagree with your comment about hate and that 70% figure. I do not think much of the negative comments are based on hate. Sure they are biased, this is a Ferrari chat site afterall. But not hate. And I would suggest that 70% of the comments are based on fact, 30% being BS. You can not change what has really happened. Make excuses all you want, but those excuses do not change facts. The Hamilton issue on this chat site flaired up when some people tried to downplay not only the specific vents but the responses from Hamilton. Seems like even the British media has had to step back in surprise of Hamilton's recent wanker attitude. Hamilton is factually guilty of making more serious on track mistakes in the last nine months than any other driver on the grid. I would give Kimi Raikkonen second in this category, both for Monaco and the first race of the season. Yet when the press roasted Massa for those first two races, and Raikkonen for the Monaco event, neither one of them stood before the press and blamed the rules or another driver. They kept quiet, they kept focused. It doesn't bother me nor change my opinion of excellent Hamilton's driving ability. Gilles, Jody, Mansell, etc, they all tore up cars and made really bad decisions. But I personally do not respect his inability to just look the media in the face and admit he made all of those mistakes on his own and that he is 100% responsible. Denial is the worse form of lying. Not to mention that I believe by now most people would have forgotten the Canada pit accident and given Lewis an "attaboy" for being honest. Now Massa leads the WDC, and has made no mistakes since the first two races. Kimi has had some bad luck, but he has come back. Lewis Hamilton on the other hand is blaming everything and everyone for his own created mistakes. Those are all facts. I have no doubt that Hamilton will continue to do well in the second best car on the grid, but it will take a lot for people to forget he has shown a negative side to his personality.
Ok , This is what I get. Lewis Hamilton in his 1st year narrowly misses loosing the WDC .. ROOKIE year that is!! driving against one, if not the best driver currently in F1, FA the one that beat the great MS!!! . AND beat him. (equal debatable maybe) Consequently making MASSA look like the rookie, where did he finish up, and just remind me how long has Massa been in F1!!!. Also lets not forget the fact he is driving a Ferrari courtesy of JT. And still further even if he did make more mistakes , which I doubt, he still finished higher in his ROOKIE year. You keep whining on about him not saying sorry he did, to the one that mattered ,and I don't see many others on here whining as much ,so get over it ,he owes you nothing. I don't give a monkey's what he say's to the press, or how it's twisted or perceived ,why because I haven't met him in person, and I wouldn't be so fickle to believe what I read in the rags. You strike me as a person that if confronted by him , would ask him for his autograph, for the picture you just took of him. Your judging someone you don't know, just reading stuff to suit your own little I hate Hamilton world. You say I don't get it , ok that's your opinion I don't care, you have faith in Massa, I believe he has improved this year by taming his pace and not risking as much as in the wet he slow's down.. A driver thats having a good run doesn't make him a WDC over night. It's a pity you have such a narrow minded out look, it's quite plain to me ,I'am wasting my word's, only we will see at the end of the season who looks the bigger fool. Thats what mind numbing is, not seeing the bigger picture, and you whining because he doesn't say sorry. I have posted links to prove he said sorry and admitting his mistakes, but of course you have to take your blinkers off to read it.
I started this thread because when I read the article on the F1 website I had to laugh at the irony in it all. I wasn't slamming Hammy or saying that he crashes everything he's involved in. But some here don't want to see or hear the slightest bit of criticism of their hero, regardless of it's intended humor. I personally think he's a very talented driver but still wet behind the ears. No doubt he will be a major player in the future of F1. I'm probably a little more pissed then most at what happened in Canada because I was there for my first F1 race. People actually left the race right after the accident because they were so dissapointed with Hamiltons carelessness, and they were both Hammy and Kimi fans. When you travel over 3K miles to see your favorite driver driving your favorite car and something stupid knocks him out of the race, you're not happy. But I still enjoyed watching Massa and the rest of the driver to the finish. This thread wasn't an attack on Hamilton or the UK. But then again two people can read the same thing and depending which side of the isle you're on, walk away with two different views. I think some take life a little too serious sometimes. What happens in F1 doesn't affect me or my family in the slightest bit, yet some here act like their life will end if so and so doesn't win. Just my $.02
EXACTLY. It's funny IN CONTEXT of other recent F1 events and the explanations (or lack thereof) and the excuses that went with them. If it had happened at any other time, it would've just been an interesting footnote. It's just like when another poster in this thread (too lazy to go back and see who) said Kimi must've been driving the other boat with one hand and holding a beer. Haha funny funny. Everyone relax, have a beer (or pint if you will).
Maybe everyone should just cool a bit and let a few more races go by. I have to admit that Im no longer as fond of Lewis as I was a year ago but then things happen and I really think we have to wait a little longer so we can get a bigger picture of Lewis and his driving, attitude, ect.
You still don't get it. The end of the season will not bring the biggest fool irrespective of who wins the WDC, I certainly never said that Hamilton would not find this success. I think if you read my words exactly, you would find it is not me that is narrow minded, nor do I recall saying anything aimed at you until you got personal with me. An apology is meaningless if it is followed up by excuses, that is Hamilton's story. In 2020, no one will care that Lewis Hamilton ALMOST won the WDC in his rookie year, all that will matter is that in the record books Raikkonen won that championship. There might be a footnote as to how a rookie blew a 10 or 12 point lead. The facts, are the facts. So unless you personally know Hamilton, you are reading those same "rags" and reading those same press releases as I am. Just that you prefer to make up your own interpretation, not the one that is in black and white. You have your bias, that's OK with me. No worries, doesn't matter. I only hope that Hamilton does not pull a Gilles Villenueve trying to prove something at a high speed track like Silverstone. That would be terrible.
When sailing the boat on the starboard tack has the right of way. Wonder who was skipper of this vessel. Was it Loses Hamilton or was he just a crew member?
This will go no where, if you want to keep comparing Massa to Lewis it's certainly fine by me, I have no biased, I will just use Facts. I dont believe all I read written in the rags, they want to sell story's, if you want to so be it. It's a standing joke in the UK , they call some newspaper's The whopping liar. I will draw a line under it and agree to differ, pack in the wanker business, and Brit BS, you have a great 70,80 photo thread and it will just take the shine off it, when you do a 2000/2010 ..
Hami had the WDC in his grasp with only one race to go in '07 where he had to finish 4th or better. And despite having the best car in the field, he choked when it really counted...rookie or not he failed to deliver. Couple that with this years mistakes and I'm beginning to wonder...
DONT, start with this again, his team blew it for him leaving him out on cords ,and it was written in the stars anyway.
The way I see it: Mclaren have not got as good a car as last year, maybe the 100 mil hit last year has not helped, plus the lack of data from the horse factory . Meaning: LH has a lot more pressure on him, maybe his head size has not helped, but it is alot of pressure, this is where he appears to be prone to mistakes. He is having to push very very hard to keep in contention with Ferrari ie light fuel and so forth , but it has paid off in some instances. Monaco.. great drive got lucky where he clipped the wall. Canada pure dumb mistake running into Kimi, but before that pure class flying over the kerbs etc. I'am not sure whether he would have won in Canada (if not crashed),but a certain podium, and still would be leading the WDC title. Being mid pack in France trying to hard to pass, which is what its all about IMO, harsh drive through penalty but thats life, otherwise in the points 3rd? 4th? Of course that was not the case, so we have where it is now, but IMO far to early to rule him out, and hardly the end of the world for him.
