360 worth keeping?

The 360 is one my fav. cars, and the 430 is NOT light years head, well maybe in terms of the F1 sytem, and that even is not worth light years head, the 430 feels like a sports car to me, much more refind, I think Corvette, but I still enjoy the 430...The thing with 360 now is, that they are becoming more affordable, making them the perfect daily driver or weekend track car...to me the style of the 360 is better, and shares much more classic Ferrari lines (shares allot with the Dino's)

So for me is the 360 worth keeping? You bet!!!

now if you are looking to trade up! I would love to hear about your 360, and I have a near new 430 spider!

 

I am very close to pullin the trigger on a 360 or gallardo.. can you please elaborate on the f1 system of the 360? is it that bad?

 

I'd say if you're serious about getting an F430, then go ahead and take the plunge. I'll be in the market soon for an F430 as my first F car. If I had a Challenge Stradale, I would've kept it because those are such a rare breed of cars. I personally have loved the F430 since they were first introduced back in 04 and I really liked the way its designed. The technology obviously precedes the 360 in numerous ways. I haven't driven a 360 to know the differences between the two. I had gotten a chance to drive the 430 a few months back and I really liked how comfortable it was to drive around town and how more maintenance friendly it was because of the chain timing system and whatnot. The market is getting a bit soft on them now, as it is a buyers market. So, I guess if you're wondering if your 360 is worth keeping I can't really say because you can do as you like. Me personally, I would've traded it towards a 430 and would've been driving it as we speak. If it's resale value you're looking for, then you're truly missing the point of owning an F car for enjoyment and not as an investment. Good luck in whichever car you decide. Best

 

The 360's F1 transmission isn't all that bad. The only difference I've been hearing between the 430 and the 360 is how much smoother the gear changes in the 430 are. They're also quicker too depending on if your'e driving in Sport or Race mode. The Gallardo has what you call the E Gear. And by experience of driving the Superleggera, its a bit of a wild bull as it jerks you forward a little bit. The gear changes are quick as well and overall the car drove and handled great. I thought the 430 was a more comfortable car to drive as I'm a pretty tall guy and the Gallardo was a little cramped. But both are great cars in the end.

 

To me there is nothing wrong with 360 F1 sytem...And after a few hours of driving, your shifts will become as smoth as a 3 peddel car...

 

from my personal experience (have had 3 360's and 3 430's both F1 and manual in each), i do consider the 430 "light years" ahead of the 360 in pretty much every way, especially the F1 tranny. the herky jerkiness, shift times, etc. of the 360 is not even in the same ballpark as the 430's. the power, handling, overall driving experience/difference between the 430 and 360 is multiple times greater than the difference bw the 355 and 360... again, JMO.

this isn't to say anything bad about the 360, it's just that i think the 430 is that much better. if the right 360 came around at the right price, i'd seriously consider picking one up as a DD. if you can keep both, i would! esp if one is a spider v. coupe, F1 v. gated, etc... variety is part of the fun.

 

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I think 'light years' is actually an understatement.

 

In my opinion, the 360 and the 430 are not light years apart. I would say they are basically the same car if you take the engine and the F1 transmission out of the equation. As far as the handling, the agility, the steering, etc. are concerned, I think they are the same. The manual transmission in the 360 is superb and basically identical to that in the 430.

The 430 is just so powerful -- it is like a rabid beast. The 360 is fast enough, but not as fast as the 430. If speed is a factor, the 430 wins hands down. But the 360 is not slow! I took a 360 coupe in Europe all the way to 180 MPH and I can tell you: I got there in a hurry! The 360 is insanely fast over 100 MPH.

The 360 is the last V8 Ferrari with the classic small-block V8 sound. The 430 V8 has a much different sound than the cars of the past. I think the 430 sounds pretty cool, but it is kind of a ferocious sound instead of a sweet sound.

The 430 is an upgrade from the 360; but the 360 is a near-perfect car that, in my opinion after having driven both extensively, could only be improved with extra power.

What will we do when the next car comes out -- say the 430 is garbage? The only ways to improve upon the 430 will be to make the next car lighter and perhaps a little smaller. But it will be hard to improve on the handling, the steering, and the build quality.

 

Light years away is quite an overstatment IMO. I'm not quite sure what this jerkiness in the 360 F1 system is that everyone talks about. The only jerkiness I ever experience is due to my own errors not the systems, very similar to driving a manual. I've had experienced drivers who have never driven and F1 system get behind the wheel of my car and compliment how smooth the shifting is.

 

It would make a great track day experiement, wouldn't it? To test the various generations of the F1 technology in back-to-back comparisons. Imagine getting every generation of the F1 technology represented by a set of owners and spending an afternoon trading cars - driving the F1 cars back-to-back. I guess, in order to do this, we'd need a 355 F1, 360 F1, F430 F1, 575M F1, 599 F1, Enzo F1, FXX F1, and 430 Scuderia F1.

My understanding is the latest SuperFast2 version of the F1 is another big step better than even the F430 F1 version. I think that is the version in the 430 Scud and upcoming 430 California. And, the even better dual-clutch F1 technology will be coming in future models.

There is an interesting write-up on the 430 Scud's F1 on page 46 of this month's Motor Trend magazine (August 2008). In order for the 430 Scud to achieve a 60 ms shift time, without dual-clutch technology, requires the 3 main shift events (within a single shift) to be overlapped in time.
The 3 shift events on an upshift are described as:
T1 = lifting off gas & declutching,
T2 = disengaging/selecting/re-engaging gear, and
T3 = clutching & feeding power back in.
In the 100 ms version of the SuperFast F1 (as in the 575M) there is a gap in time during T2 when T1 has ended and T3 has not started yet. In the 60 ms version of SuperFast2 F1 (as in the Scud), there is no gap intime between T1 and T3 - the T2 event overlaps the end of T1 and the start of T3.

The best data I can find says that the F1 trans in the following cars shift speeds are:
355 F1 = ??? ms
360 F1 = 150 ms
430 F1 = 150 ms
Enzo F1 = 150 ms
575M = 250 ms
575 Superamerica = 180 ms
599 F1 = 100 ms
FXX F1 = 80 ms
430 Scuderia = 60 ms
430 California GT = 60 ms
future dual-clutch trans = 8 ms

Anyone know the shift time of a 355 F1 trans?

Remember also that it just isn't the shift times but all the self-learning software that controls the F1 shifting has gotten better with each generation.

 

150ms

From my understanding the trans in the 355 and 360 are the same, just different software.

 

Any data on Stradale?

 

Well, according to this site, the 355 F1 is also 150ms.

http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/gearbox/tech_gear_manual.htm

All of this doesn't make sense; the Stradale definitely shifts faster than a standard 360. I actually started a thread about this in the past.

The 355, 360, Stradale, and the 430 all have listed shift times of 150ms. Yet, there are definite shifting speed differences between the newer and older models.

 

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Depends on what you want. If I could wind back the clock, I would have kept my '05 360 Spider stick instead of getting my '07 F430 Spider F1 (or stick).

As others have mentioned, the F430 is indeed faster and more refined. The refined part is exactly what I don't like about it. I also don't care for the sound as compared to my Capristo 360.

If I had both today, I'd be driving the 360. But, that's just me. ;-)

Tim

 

Curious as to where you obtained this information from.

 

Light years? What a bunch of clowns!

Ty, come on...three 360's, and a 430? And you can't afford to help sponsor this great site. Sheees!