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  1. rustybits

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    #1 rustybits, Aug 25, 2008
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    At long last and well overdue, a new design of F1 pump has been launched by the factory. It's a direct replacement for 360's, 430's 575's etc. It looks far beefier and apparently draws less current. It needs a modified bracket to go with it (not yet released, suprise suprise!) but i fitted one on a 430 with a neat bracket i fabbed up myself.

    For all those interested, the new part number is 000248083.

    Also available is a new modified red relay, don't have the part number to hand but will try and post later

    Below is a shot of the new bigger pump against the old design one. Hope this is of use guys.......
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  2. the head

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    #2 the head, Aug 25, 2008
    sweet! any info if it works on the maserati as well?
     
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    #3 vanny, Aug 25, 2008
    am i missing something here..reason for new pump..have there been problems with the old?
     
  4. UConn Husky

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    #4 UConn Husky, Aug 25, 2008
    Very interesting...how's pricing, and most importantly (for me :D ) 355 fitment?
     
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    #5 Motob, Aug 25, 2008
    The old pump draws so much current that over time the relay contacts burn and eventually stick closed. This causes the pump motor to run until it burns up. The pump motor cannot be purchased separately, so you have to buy the whole pump assembly (very expensive).
     
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    #6 dggferrari, Aug 25, 2008
    Sorry, can't be installed on a F355 due the fact that the pump its part of the solenoids body and not separate.
     
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    #7 f355spider, Aug 25, 2008
    It would be interesting to learn the electrical current specs of the new pump and relay.
     
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    #8 windsock, Aug 25, 2008
    That pump has actually been around quite some time. It was released when the 430 came with the E-diff system as they both run from the same hydrolic supply. Yes it can be retrofitted to Maserati and to the 355. Both take some plumbing modifications and a bit of fabrication but doable.
    Dave you should know there is always a way.

    With the old style pump I have always recommended replacing the rellay annually as a way to extend the life of the pump, both in Maserati and Ferrari.
     
  9. rustybits

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    #9 rustybits, Aug 25, 2008
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    Yes it will work on the Maserati. This is the only pump that will be supplied by both Ferrari and Maserati as a direct replacement for the troublesome earlier pump. I've seen a few failures of the earlier pump on the 430's due to the fact that it also has to run the e-diff which means the naff pump has to ensure even more duty cycles. Don't have specs on the current draw but i was told by Ferrari u.k that it's "significantly less".
     
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    #10 UConn Husky, Aug 26, 2008
    +1, replaced my F1 relay just to be safe. I was planning every 3 yrs...
     
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    #11 enzo thecat, Aug 27, 2008
    I have a new realy I ordered from Ricambia. If I want to replace mine, just for saftey sake, should I disconnect the battery before dong so? Is there any way I can damage my car unplugging the old and pluggin in the new one? Is it easy to do?

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    #12 Miner_31, Aug 27, 2008

    The 360 and the Maserati use the same exact pump. I dont foresee any extra mods that would have to be done for the pump to fit the Mas unless the same mods would have to be done on a 360. Even the Lamborghini Gallardo EGear uses the same original F1 pump. The 355 has a different pump and I would assume it would need a retro-fit of some sort.

    Its nice to see an update in this ongoing battle with F1 pumps and relays.

    Agreed - always replace the relay as well!
     
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    #13 k wright, Aug 27, 2008
    The new pump looks like it has a gear reduction between the motor and the pump section. Is this how the current draw is reduced?
     
  14. rustybits

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    #14 rustybits, Aug 29, 2008
    I think thats just the casting. The draw must be a fair bit less as the electrical connection to the pump is also far smaller than the original. I'm scheduled to fit another next week, so i'll measure the draw while it's in the workshop, and post up the results.
     
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    #15 285ferrari, Aug 30, 2008
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    Which one of these relays did you buy for the F1 pump? #42?

    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/images/diagrams/full/F35552_141.jpg
     
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    #18 285ferrari, Sep 1, 2008
    Had a few guys around here do it, but will wait to ask my mechanic and get his advice---Honestly, it is a piece of electrical equipment they may last 20 years or 2 months, buying a new one only gives you internal piece of mind --No way of knowing whether the new one will last longer or break in 2 hours....I don't know how many times I have seen brand new parts fail after days or weeks....The one I have now may last 20 more years,just never know.My luck I replace it for piece of mind and the new one fails 3 months from now...Yea, that's my luck....
     
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    #19 rllucero, Sep 1, 2008
    For 80 bucks its cheap piece of mind!
     
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    #20 LetsJet, Sep 2, 2008
    I replace my relay and keep a backup. The relay part number has been changed since the 355 was released. Relays don't last forever and I think it's better that I determine its useful life than have it decide for itself.
     
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    #21 docf, Sep 25, 2008
    No one of knowedge has answered the previous question. Do you unplug.--- replace with new relay without disconnecting the battery. Disconnecting the battery I believe on the F1 cars causes a whole set of parameters which must be reset . If I am correct the relay is located behind the passenger seat??
     
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    #22 LetsJet, Sep 25, 2008
    You might want a professional to answer, but I'll chime in......

    The relay does not get power with the key out. So there is no reason to disconnect the battery to replace the relay.
     
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    #23 UConn Husky, Sep 25, 2008
    It's probably just fine to do it with the battery on, I agree it should have no power with the key not in. As opposed to the 360 which I believe powers on when you open the door...
     
  24. rustybits

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    #24 rustybits, Sep 26, 2008
    Yes, just change the relay, no need to hit the battery disconnect. The 430 does, however, power up the pump if the pressure is low when you open the door, just like the 360. Ensure it's done this first, and the ignition is off, then just swap the relays. Look for signs of disolouration around the big contacts of your old relay, it might show that you had a lucky escape!
     
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    #25 docf, Sep 26, 2008
    Thank you much as I have a 360 F1 2003 . On the 360 I believe it is located behind passenger seat?
     
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