Bull. If that were true, Hamilton would have lots of DNF's from contact - but - he doesn't. What you described is what Coulthard does... he will hold a line and not give an inch regardless of how far up the other guy is. And guess what? Coulthard has tons of DNF's from contact during passes. Lewis doesn't. End of story.
as much as I dislike Lewis and his entourage, and as much as I hated the eventual outcome of this race, I don't think it would be correct to punish Lewis in any way. In fact, I think it would set an awful precedent that will effectively mean 'balls out' racing is prohibited in a sport that needs these types of duels so badly.
Agreed, Kimi gave it everything this time, such a shame he was ultimately defeated by the rain in the end. I don't think Hami would have been able to win had it remained dry. Hami himself said he was praying for rain, since he felt he could handle it well in his car---I was praying for Hami in the grass or the wall........... It was a very exciting ending though, I lept from the couch when Kimi passed Hami back, heart pounding, hands shaking!! Oh the disappointment at the final result though. At least Massa was still there and I know without a doubt he will give 120% until the bitter end.
Clearly, Lewis should have immediately exited his car, put it in reverse and run himself over to adequately atone for his horrendous infringement on Ferraris divine right to win every race uncontested
All your posts are right on and make sense. Too bad others can see what you are talking about instead of launching off with absolutely stupid comments and wishes for ill happenings - it's just a race. Carol
You must have been watching a different race......Kimi span.....twice, all of his own accord....and the 2nd time he drove into the wall! Lewis didn't cause it, the ONLY person responsible for Kimi's accident was......Kimi! He simply couldn't handle the conditions...end of! Both drivers however are being investigated by the stewards.......and if either suffer any penalty whatsoever it will be an absolute travesty!
Franco are you trying that Lewis is only good in the wet because he is driving a Mclaren, I HOPE NOT.
Lewis should not have repassed imediately after taking the shortcut. If Lewis had backed off and not taken the short cut, do you think he would have been able to pass Kimi in the next turn?
..his entourage....oh, you mean his disabled younger brother and his father who worked 3 jobs to help pay for Lewis's early racing.....
Look at how Heikke rocket up through the field once the water hit the track... Speaking of which, most worthless drive of the race award goes to HK. From qualifying third to 13th or something...what a waste.
....where (WHERE) in the rules does it say that you 'can't pass immediately'...?? There is only one requirement...to allow the car to regain the lead. After that...fair game. Lewis followed the rules.
+1 As a Ferrari fan, I was unhappy with the result, but to pass was fair. LH nearly had KR at the Chicane. He gave the position back and got back to the inside. KR popped to the outside to attmpt the over under and the room was not there despite nudging LH. Had LH not gotten KR at La Source, he would have done it under braking for Les Combes after a tow. Ferrari has to protest the pass. To not attempt a protest would not be OK with the Italians. Nothing should come of the protest.
And everyone else telling me about Kimi's spin... My bad, i was watching a choppy TVU feed and they showed replay of the cars touching then cut to Kimi spinning and both cars off track, then the feed went out again, and then I saw broken red nosecone and then it cut out again and then I saw Hami limping around in the rain and Massa closing... Between the horrible internet connection and acrobatics around the room while watching I didn't know there was no contact. If that's the case, dial back the forcing implications in my post. "What race were you watching?" Trust me, it was the worst feed ever. I almost gouged my eyes out from frustration.
Allow me to give you a more appropriate answer, not like the previous one you received that did not address the subject. I have to disagree with you LR, I don't think anyone caused Kimi's spin into the wall except maybe a deflating tire. I think Kimi lost the race when he put down way too much power coming out of one turn while in the lead prior to his accident. AS for Hamilton, I would not call Hamilton a clean driver, but I would also not at all call him a dirty driver. Remembering the way he passed Massa one race I would say he is very aggressive, maybe borderline aggressive. Possibly that is what it takes to win races in F1. I also disagree with a previous comment about Hamilton's position in the chicane and that Kimi pushed him wide. They were in a chicane, Kimi appeared to be online for the second corner after leading the first part of the chicane. Hamilton appeared to be somewhere he should not have been. Kimi could have given up his line, but then he was ahead at that time. Hamilton had to cut the chicane, but his move did give him the momentum he needed to pass Raikkonen. I think the stewards will have a difficult time using Raikkonen's move as an excuse not penalize Hamilton, if they decide Hamilton's move in the chicane did give him an advantage. Anyway, if Kimi had won, and Massa third, Kimi would have brought himself up to be close to Massa, yet I think both would have been further than 8 points behind Hamilton. I am rushing out the door, so perhaps someone else here could do the math in both scenarios. I think today worked well for Massa's WDC hopes.
Felipe surprised me a bit, backing down and taking the points without over-driving in the rain. Well done. On the other hand, that wasn't very clever on Lewis' part: The way they spent most of the race would have been an ideal finish ... for Lewis. Yes, it's nice to win, but ... Second to third or first to second: he gained two points over Felipe either way. But leaving Kimi 10 points would have left the Ferrari teammates battling each other. Now there's a clear points leader at Ferrari. (Especially as Kimi gave away the lead: trying to go wide to block Lewis under braking, Kimi put in way too much steering input and killed too much momentum. Lewis couldn't help but pass at that point.) I'd imagine the stewards are having a look at Rosberg pulling out in front of the leaders, too. One question for the rules guys: Can Kimi get a fresh engine for Monza, after crashing out from a spin? And one question for the speculators: If Hamilton had managed to pull away from Kimi, would Ferrari have pulled Kimi into the pits to give Massa 2nd, to avoid losing four points in the championship rather than just two? (Oh, and the speed channel coverage wasn't so swift either. I suspect that the electronics change before the race messed up Massa's transponder -- timing & scoring didn't seem to know where the heck Phil was for the first half of the race, and the tv feed didn't help with that.)
I don't think you are right. The rule says unfair ADVANTAGE, not unfair position. LH gave back the unfair position, but benefited greatly from the unfair advantage he gained by cutting the chicane. He did not get pushed over (and if he did-that's racing. He has done it too before), but Kimi just refused to take bait and let him through. If LH braked like he was supposed to he could have mashed the throttle on the exit of the turn all he wanted but he would have not been able to get in Kimi's tow. He kept his momentum and kept the opportunity to stay glued to Kimi's gearbox, which he would not have been able to do if he did not cut the chicane. This is unfair advantage
