(spoiler) anybody else think hamilton is on the edge?

LH drove a hard race today.. Lets hope that the brains of F1 drivers are not like elephants and forget .. If not I could see some ugly and stupid moves that wont be so LH friendly .. Hope not but hes setting the stage for it..

On a happier note CHEERS VETTEL on a great race !!!!

 

Reminded me of another driver from a few years back. If he saw the slightest opening, he pushed for it and took big risks but got the rewards with them.

It's definitely dicey, but it's also just 'racing'.

 

yea, but getting 2 wheels in the wet grass is no joke. HUngary wasn't wet.

 

Lewis came closest, but racing is very different from what it used to be. It was battle, now it's procession. Hamilton won't fall in line with it so he gets the most grief.

 

Agree. He didn't really need to do that (even though he did have the racing line). He was faster than Glock in those conditions and would have pulled away.

Webber shouldn't cry...after LH 'blocked' him (let's call it what it was, even though, again, he had the racing line), Webber just fell back and didn't challenge again. Had the position been reversed, I guarantee you that LH would have come right back at him, especially with the faster car.

 

Let's not forget that Glock is one of the more challenging drivers to get around. He gives way to no one. DC is retiring so someone will have to take over his title.

 

Well that one can work both ways: Senna and Schumacher made it a point to be tough on the track. And it worked: Their reputations preceeded them and people started to move over once they saw them approaching.

 

RE: the Webber incident... how was it ANY different than Lewis and Kimi going into the chicane at Spa? In Lewis' case at Spa, he cut the chicane. In Webber's case at Monza, he didn't give up, banged wheels and had an off. IMO I thought it was 100% Webbers fault. He was on the wrong line on the wrong side going into the turn. Lewis gave him precisely as much room as Kimi gave Lewis. I wouldn't have expected Lewis to lift or to give Webber the spot - why should he? He's in front.

As for Glock... Lewis was much faster. Glock put up a good fight, but a man has to know when he's beaten. Lewis took the inside line which is usually the slower (but shorter) line... but he took it very fast and had to track-out right to the edge to keep traction. He was in front of Glock and it was his position. Why would glock stay in it and try to force the issue against a much faster car? Seems silly to me. Yeah, it was an aggressive pass.... but this is big boy racing, not karting. IMO it's great to have guys like Lewis putting the hurt on the competition. We all talk about how we want more passing... well, this is more passing! Passing isn't a case of "say, 'scuse me old boy but I think I'm a bit faster - mind if I take that spot?" .... "ohhh sure thing friend, just let me move over". Passing is an aggressive "I want what you have and I am going to take it by FORCE" type affair.

 

Good point .. I do have to say what would all of us have to talk about if Lewis was not around??

 

Right on.

I wanted McLaren thrown out of the championship for this year because of Stepneygate, but in hindsight I have to say this would have been an incredibly boring season without them.

Ferrari needs a strong competitor in F1. Not too strong, but strong enough.

 

I can not believe this is even being discussed. You all wanted more exciting racing, right? This race was really exciting. I know I was on the edge of my seat when hamilton came in for his first stop and put full wet's back on. I'm praying for more rain, because if it had he would've won that race. But in order for him to get to that position he had to fight really hard. He came from 15th. If Kimi had fought half as hard he could've finished better than 9th, and Ferrari would be more than 5 points ahead in the constructors championship. If you want exciting racing Hamilton is bringing it.
Oh congrats to Vettel.

 

Mike, you're off base here.

First, Webber was the one on the proper line and it was Lewis that came over on him... Mark couldn't just "helicopter out of Lewis' way."

Lewis edged and squeezed Timo right off. He made it untenable for Timo to continue. That's not racing, that's a chicken $h!t move.

The universal dictum that separates fair from foul in racing is to leave racing room and let the corner and skill sort it out, not endanger yourself and others.

It would have been poetic justice if LH's tie rod link had been broken in that contact...

 

I agree, I have said it before as well. He might even feel that he deserves to act this way, since he got that penalty last race. He can always play the victim when he gets called out for his actions.

 

For good reason there was cheering. LH got a taste of his own medicine and he smartly didnt COMPLAIN. Note the ITV broadcasters mentioning how much support he got from the other drivers in the paddock about his incident at Spa. ZERO .....put out by ITV.

 

I was hoping there would be damage to LH's car after that. Dont worry his mouth will provide more damage to himself as is usually the case. Vettel said today "we had the ba--s to win today" Nice

 

Yeah, let the corner, skill and b**ls sort it out!

I like that... Good on Vettel. And Robert, too.

 

I'll take a look when I get home at the replay - from what we saw on the screens at the track, it looked like Webber tried to take lewis into the turn, but Lewis was on the inside, so approaching the apex, Lewis was in front... then Webber decided to stay in it, and Lewis was ahead and went to the edge of the track, and Webber tried to be a hardass and they touched tires. Thats what it looked like anyway.

As for Glock, it looked to be the same thing. Lewis was faster, and was making the pass. He made it aggressively, but fairly, IMO. If it wasn't fair, it would have been investigated. It was firm, but fair, IMO.

I'll take another look when I'm back at home though but thats how I saw it today from what I saw.

 

I just re-watched it on youtube... 100% Webbers fault. At no time was he in front of Hamilton, and he was on the outside. What does a driver expect who is behind and on the outside of the turn? Also, Webber turned into Hamilton. Hamilton was drifting to the outside in preparation for the turn - sure, he squeezed Webber, but it was Hamiltons corner. He was on the inside and he was ahead. Then Webber just turned into him and bumped wheels. Webber is VERY lucky that Hamilton didn't crash... if Hammy had crashed, Webber would have (should have) been penalized.

I'll re-check the Glock incident when I get home - it's not on Youtube.

 

did you see the timings of the last 3 laps between hamilton and webber>? webber was: 0.3xx, 1.34x and 1.03x quicker than hamilton those laps thats 2.7 seconds. and then webber gets hit on his front wheel by hamilton and all of a sudden he's slower. some would say that webber maybe backed up because he didnt want to get hit again, but webber isnt an idiot and he would continue fighting for the spot until the very end. besides, he's an aussie!

I partly enjoyed hamilton today but at times he drove like a complete cock end. O well, HE made a few more enemies today and i wish him luck for the next races.

 

This is the way it should be.
And in today's F1 it occasionally happens.
But the rule of the day seems to be "this in mine and I want it all".
Kimi COULD have given way at Spa, as Hami did the previous corner.
They all do it. Hami is learning the way of the world from experience and he is going to use it.

It WAS pretty cold the move Hami put on Glock.
IMO Glock should have given way to the obviously faster car.
However these guy are paid big bucks and their job is on the line to get or keep every position.
The day of the gentleman racer is rare.

 

+1. People aren't seeing with the same eyes. LH's moves were no where near as brutal as some of the Schumacher moves in his day.

 

I did wonder about ALL of the chicanes being cut today, no mention at all? Odd thing.

 

The chicanes in Monza are a bit special as they are part of the track, so to say. The drivers at least had the sides of their wheels on the white line, and if not, they quickly changed positions back today.

 

I agree with you on the Webber part, but Hammi did edged Glock out to the extend that Timo was forced to put two wheels on the wet (!!) gras in the very fast 'Curva Grande'. That was totally uncalled for and potentially very dangerous. If Glock would've spun and crash I am sure Hamilton would have had another penalty handed out to him.

Concerning M. Schumacher: yes, he was on the edge most of the time. He did have some pretty insane moves in his days (but so did Ralf, just ask Johnny Herbert) and, as bigodino pointed out, did have his fair share of penalties.

 

Not quite what I meant. Divers while being alone on track were putting all four wheels through the chicane, most notably Mass and Hamilton since they had a lions share of the tv time. I saw Vettle take four wheels off track numerous times as well. I just thought it was odd that this was happening all day with no mention from the announcers.