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  1. tx246

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    #1 tx246, Sep 16, 2008
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    There are two basic types of Dino front Bumpers. The first type has a bumper shape that curves into the grill area - every US spec dino I have seen has these. The second type simply stops before the grill area.

    The second type is what I am curious about. I have seen EURO cars with both types, in both lhd and rhd set-ups. What was the determining factor in how the Dino's were built. I realise most of the early cars didn't exist as EURO spec, the were simply Dino's.

    As for the rear bumpers, when did the change come into play for the endcaps going from being concave to simply a flat endcap?
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  2. Italian Lover

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    Actually, there's three types: Initial 206 bumpers (front/rear) that were thinner and more elegant. Front bumpers folded into the front grill. Rear bumpers were void of license plate lights. Some of the early 246GT Tipo L models shared these bumpers. Second type as afmormentioned had thicker, wrap-in bumpers, probably for the M models. The late E models were supplied w/ bumpers stopping short of the grills. (Correct me if I am off the mark). Jimmy
     
  3. tx246

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    my late 73 euro spec dino has the "short" bumpers, my to us spec 74 dino's have the curved bumpers
     
  4. sranderson

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    My '70 L does have the license plate lights in the ends. Another note is the 206 & 246 L have the back-up lights attached to the rear bumpers.

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  5. Julio Batista

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    Back up lights attached to rear bumpers continue through the early 246 E's.
     
  6. Italian Lover

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    I believe Euro models have a paired bakckup lights under bumpers bilaterally, whereas US models have single backup light in midline center. Jimmy
     
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    #7 celestialcoop, Sep 20, 2008
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    Gents, in general,

    My friend ('gonna get him to join when he gets back from the old country) has a Euro '71 "M" with plate lights in rear bumpers, single backup light in center & 'long' front bumpers.

    I've a Euro '72 "E" with plate light on deck lid, single backup light in center & 'short' front bumpers.


    tx246, in particular,

    As for the end caps, go here for a discussion; it should answer your question.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80023

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  8. sranderson

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    #8 sranderson, Sep 20, 2008
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    Maybe I'm wrong, but you sure?

    can you show me an example please? I was under the impression the bumper mounted back-up lights was only 206 & L

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  9. 2GT

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    Related to bumpers: the later L grilles and front pans are different from those of the earlier cars, as well as the bumpers. I have seen photos (including from this year's Cavallino Classic) of Dinos that mixed and matched earlier and later bumpers and front pans. I've also seen photos of cars with US recessed turn signals and Euro front fender "dimpled" turn signals, and no US side markers. I imagine that most of this is the result of restoration work, where you buy whatever replacement panels are readily available. It does make you scratch your head, though. Fred
     
  10. synchro

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    Look at this one that recently shown in LA

    The 5th image shows a US dino bumpers on a Eur Dino?
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138048909
     
  11. 2GT

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    As I noted, Scott, I think that some mismatching has occurred simply because there are a number of Euro Dinos around in need of bumpers that can't be sourced in the U.S. I can't recall ever seeing a picture of a U.S. Dino with Euro bumpers (the "cut-off" later ones), probably because the U.S. bumpers are easier to come by. After the 206-specific bumpers (like those on Jimmy's 246 L), the early U.S. bumpers were the same as the Euro bumpers. When the later front end was introduced (with the round pod-like front pan vent openings, "shark's-mouth" under-grille opening and more squared-off grille opening), the U.S.-only "safety" bumpers appeared, on two struts, front and rear. The Euro "cutoff" front bumpers (ironically also on two struts, even though more closely set to the front end) then became the standard for the rest of the world. Coincident with that change, the rear bumper end caps appeared on U.S. rear bumpers, which were angled a bit toward the centerline, and also a bit farther away from the tail panel. My red Dino (with older clapper wipers and bumpers---the parallel wipers made their U.S. appearance along with the new bumpers) has the end caps, but I suspect that they were cannibalized from a later car. Interestingly, when I considered replacing my front bumpers (they had been rechromed, but were somewhat bent, and one was missing a small flange for alignment of the rubber strip), I called FAF, where I had bought the car, and was told that they would only sell sets of four! I later had all four bumpers rechromed, with the front ones properly straightened and the flange replaced. Just as Dinos have been restored with Daytona-style seats and fabricated flares that never originally appeared on them, so have mismatches of bumpers and front pans occurred. I suspect that some owners are more concerned with the perceived cachet of "flares and chairs" than they are with originality. On that note, I have deviated a bit from originality on my red Dino, #03964. Until the new bumpers and front pans were introduced, the black paint on the rocker panels ended at the crease where they tuck under the body. Later cars had a black line somewhere between that crease and the door bottoms. This visibly lowered the sideview of the body, and I had the lines painted that way when I repainted the car. Another interesting note: over the years, I have purchased two replacement Dino nose badges. One I bought from FAF in 1977, and one I bought at Formula 1 Shopping in Maranello, across from the factory, in 2002. They are from different manufacturers, as are the front marker light bezels on my red Dino, as we discovered when the car was apart. I guess that the Old Man spread his parts business around a bit! Fred
     
  12. sarkis kassardjian

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    I am the owner of the chairs & flares Dino pictured at Palos Verdes concours weekend, its 1972 #4676 which happens to be the first documented chairs & flares car out of the factory according to the registery, and its one of the two with euro specifications. As you can see it has the factory fog lights, covered headlights and it is equiped with a black Momo steering wheel. My assumption is, those bumpers were probably replaced to US specs when the car was imported, in compliance with US regulations. Everything else on the car is Euro specs. The car has been restored in 2003, and I drive it once a week around the hills of Palos Verdes to give it a healthy dose of exercise. Its in a great shape and its a blast to drive. It shares my garage with a 1962 XKE conv. Jag and 1998 C2S 993 Porsche. Those three cars were my dream cars growing up, each one has its own personality and the signatures of their creators. I think they are the best of their kind and they give back lots of memories of my youthful years when I drive them, that's priceless.
     
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    #13 celestialcoop, Sep 24, 2008
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    Take a look; the pics say it a whole lot better than the words!

    And..., welcome sarkis!

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  14. euro70

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    my dino#1060 is a euro delivered in sept of 1970 has knockoffs and other appropriate

    "L" details .. and has not been restored or damaged to rear...my rear bumpers are the larger type and have recessed end caps for license lights[but no light housings or bulbs??, also no sign of bumper mounted
    turnsignals [recent scraping of the entire back metal section found no sign of hole for wire to feed bumper mounted turn signals, orig holes for euro license found, that had been filled in]but also a center mounted backup light at bottom edge of sheetmetal[typical of later dinos] and a license light of later dinos mounted below location for plates on angled edge of sheetmetal??..since the trunk lock/latch is where later dinos had this horizontal license light..saw a 206 in local ferrari restoration shop, and there was small hole thru rear sheetmetal directly behind bumpers to feed the bumper mounted turn signals, this 206 had the thiner early bumpers also identified by a small extended shape at the end of the bumper where the rubber ends..would suggest that bumper mounted turnsignals are only paired with 206 and possibly very early 246 thinner style bumpers..?also suggesy that new [later type] license lights became available but still had trunk lid with latch in that location and hence mouted below the plate location and installed large slotted bolt and nut to close the old location of license in the rounded end cap?..anyone seen this in dinos around the #1060 vin?
     
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    #15 celestialcoop, Sep 24, 2008
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    sarkis,

    'good to have you on board. 'good to have your Dino on board.

    Your car has some rare pieces. Very nice, indeed.

    Cheers,
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    #16 celestialcoop, Sep 24, 2008
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    Hi, euro70.

    You mention "bumper mounted turn signals" a couple of times. My memory is sometimes suspect as I become more seasoned, but I don't recall seeing the rear turn signals any place other than on the body, next to the brake lights, on 206 or 246 Dinos. Are you, by any chance, referring to the bumper-mounted back up lights? Also, the unusual location of the license plate light sounds interesting, too...perhaps a mod by a PO?

    Since your car has some unique things going on back there, would you mind posting a picture...or several...so we could share in the mystery? :)

    Intrigued,
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  18. synchro

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    Welcome Sarkis, the Dino crowd is one of the most cohesive on FerrariChat and glad you're one of us now.

    I once live in Rancho PV on Lautrec and drove my Dino around in that area - very fun to see my old stomping grounds!
     
  19. euro70

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    coop,apologies..i was refering to the backup lights below the bunpers...not the turn signals..i will
    photo other details and submit for comment and assistance ...
     

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