Drivers told to come to a COMPLETE STOP if they cut a chiacane from now on

+1 As if we needed more proof that it was total made up BS for us to swallow.

Max, I have a better idea.

Put land mine's on the chicanes, I can see it now...Arghhhhhh where I'm going to gooooooooo

Don't worry mate normal procedure, simply drive over a land mined chicane and jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area.

I thought the point of chicanes was to slow down the cars make the drivers work hacking at the wheel letting us see the action, making more overtaking possible under braking and traction out of them and so forth.

The point is, it can be done relatively safely, however, the fact that some bright spark decided to suggest stopping a F1 car anywhere on a circuit, or run off area is clearly insane.

 

Brian that is exactly what I was thinking when this whole chicane mess got started. Why can't they just put foam blocks closer to the edges of the chicane. Nothing that is too dangerous to crash into but at least something that is in the way that drivers can't just drive through.

 

+1 As I posted/agreed with before, a quick and easy fix, only down side, it may cause bit's of it flying on the track.

Oh and it rules out MAX twisting the results..

 

Excellent! It'll be like a Chinese-fire-drill

 

Its funny reading a thread like this and seeing so many posters freak out at something like this. Has anyone stopped to think that because of the extenuating circumstances which include the tightness of the track with lots of concrete walls, very little run off area, tough visabilility around corners, combined with a 60% chance of rain on race day that this is a rule thrown in for singapore only?

 

Good point. I hope it is so. But I also hope that it is not as dangerous as some people here think it is. As someone said , the drivers do figure out how not to stuff it into a barrier in Monaco, so why not being able to do the same elsewhere. Simple - the consequences they are facing.

 

Outlaw chicanes!

 

Sometimes you make yourself look like one with posts like that. Besides I thought you would like the excitement with cars flying all over in tangled wrecks. Dont you think thats better than a parade?
Seriously though. Do you really think that they are that stupid? Do you not think that maybe they know something we dont?

 

BRAKING DISTANCE even though its F1 they don't stop instantly! Does the FIA really want them to park on the side of the straight after they missed the chicane?!

 

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

Maybe the FIA has a guilty conscious about what they did to Lewis. Now they are over compensating? They would've been better off just leaving it alone, let the entire topic fade away...

OR....

This is like McCain saying he won't debate on Friday night... when things aren't going your way in the public's eye.. change directions.

If they were anticipating a backlash this weekend of bad press...So instead of millions of fans bashing the FIA for holding Lewis to a fuzzy rule (that they had to Clarify for the drivers before the last race) maybe the FIA was worried about cries that this season's Championship is a "farce" unless anyone wins by more than 7 points.

Well, if you want to control the press and spin.... just change the topic from "Favoritism"... to something else? Why not toss out some crazy new topic for the fans and press to get all distracted with? LOL

 

LOL , yes I see what you mean Brillant!!..

Check these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knYOcaQ-x5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B12WBTFLK0Q&feature=related

 

Personally, I think it is a rule, it is easy to understand, and the drivers are professionals. Don't like the rule? Don't play the game. It reminds me of mountain bikers complaining that it is raining and cold and slick. I agree with those who say the drivers will simply adjust their driving. If someone cannot stop, I imagine they will just keep moving and take an additional penalty. But they will try very hard not to.

Look, the track is the track. I think the idea is that you are supposed to stay ON the track. If you don't, then you suffer. And the rule (minus a wall) means you may have a car stopped off track, as opposed to just having a wall, in which case you have pieces of a car all over the track. At least it is easy to understand and fairly apply, so no one can complain that the judging is biased. Hasn't that been a regular complaint?

It seems best to wait for the driver's reactions - or even the race - before I start popping crazy pills.

Oh, and I think the deletion of traction control has been fantastic. I am looking forward to the aero changes, should make things even better.

 

"stopping ON a track, or ON a chicane, or anywhere else not the pit" I believe is what you said, and I said they aren't going to stop ON the track. I should have added ON the chicane, but I figured that was part of the track.

So did you read my response? Where does it appear I did not read your post? As for "anywhere else", there probably isn't a race where a car is not off the track because of sort of failure. That's the reason for cranes.

Again, it is unlikely this rule was just pulled out of a hat. I am curious to hear the official reasoning.

 

If you remember the time line, the FIA clarified the rule as they interpreted it up until the race at Monza, that week just after Spa. After the Paris hearing, the GPDA through Pedro DLR asked the FIA to come up with a more clear definition and way to control the chicane issue.

From the timing, I am guessing this is the result. So possibly, someone did ask some of the members of the GPDA, or maybe it was their idea? I have no idea myself, so for that reason, I would rather wait for the official word before making one of these knee jerk peanut gallery reactions in this thread.

 

I don't disagree with you, yet. I am leaning that way though. All tight courses like Monaco have a barrier on the inside of the first turn, where if it were a chicane, the possibility of cutting it would exist. For that reason, I do not agree with the concept of NOT having a barrier on the inside of a chicane's multiple apexes.

You stated: "As for this race, show me any F1 track where the first turn is a funnel into a turn with concrete barriers on both sides? Doesn't exist... even at Monaco they don't do that." As I said, Monaco has barriers on the inside apex of every turn, including turn one. That is the one that Kimi clipped in qualifying. In cutting a corner, all that is concerned is the inside of the apex.

Michael, these are supposedly the world's best drivers (something I have never swallowed), so why wouldn't you expect them to stay on track, even at a chicane. A chicane is no different than any other tight corner where a driver is expected to stay on track, except a chicane is usually two opposite apex tight turns very closely connected.

Generally, the purpose of a chicane is slow down the cars for some reason. Right? So what is wrong with expecting these drivers to slow down and make the damn turn??

In your argument, it would appear on the surface that you seem to think these F1 drivers are a bunch demo derby drivers so they are going to repeat that first turn at Spa a few years back. Which if I remember correctly, did have barriers on both sides rather close to the track surface.

Let them earn their millions, force them to make a chicane work. This stop and go rule may not be the best way, possibly the foam barriers that I think Brian has been suggesting sounds good. But even that is just a bandaid. I personally like the guard rail idea with a the soft wall the IRL developed.

There should be no cutting of chicanes by so called experts. As I read this post again for typos, I am beginning to think this new rule is exactly what is needed.

 

Not enough room in most cases.

 

Love the 'Blackadder goes Forth' reference.

 

Excellent post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also think that alto this may not be the perfect answer, there has to be a way to prevent the drivers from cutting corners. I think the current rule is just like a band-aid until they find a better solution

 

Slap Shot! FIA imposes "penalty box" on F1 cars.

And no hanging from the rim, either!!
Wait, there's a flag on the play!
Yellow card the drivers?

Does anyone at FIA even have a driver's license for street cars?
A stop and go penalty on the chicane?


Ron: of all people, *you* should appreciate the potential danger of being parked by the side of the road in the rain.