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2008 Enzo + ?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by icemanbops, Oct 9, 2008.

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  1. Stackhouse

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    Count me in too !!

    Dibs on the Phantom!!

    Any Chance we can stop off in Amsterdam?

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  2. modena

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    Great, can't wait to see pictures :)

    Let's see pics of that too!
     
  3. TOOLFAN

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    #28 TOOLFAN, Oct 10, 2008
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    The car was red over black and is now black over black with red gauges. Chassis number was and still is 134952. I have the classiche letter and would post it, but I don't want to ruffle anyones feathers nor will I post the complete story of the car. Either way here are the build/rebuild photos, which I some people will enjoying seeing a lot.
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  4. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thanks for sharing. At least this lends credibility to the notion that the various cars the factory has 'rebuilt' in fact have the same chassis number, and therefore, there are, in fact close to 500 Enzos that have been manufactured.

    But all this begs a legitimate question: if the original chassis number (originally issued in 2003 or whatever) has been retained, how does the car now become a "2008" Enzo?? Just curious...
     
  5. TOOLFAN

    TOOLFAN F1 Rookie
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    That is one of those questions that will never have a real answer. The number stays the same for legal reasons but, the components including the TUB are 100% new. By the way I neglected / forgot to mention the car is US spec as was the original car. The mileage was brought up by Ferrari to match the original car when it was wrecked. Then Ferrari tested the car to make sure everything was on the up and up.
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thanks for your response. I knew this was a USA car BTW.

    But if it is a "100% new" car, with a new engine, why was the mileage "brought up"??? Im even more puzzled about Ferrari increasing the mileage on a zero miles engine in a brand new car (than the "2008" assignment). Another one with no real answer?
     
  7. TOOLFAN

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    Once again this falls under legal crap, as the original intention was to bring the car back into the US. I'm sure your move then aware of the hoops they make you jump through. The mileage was not put on the car in the traditional sense the odo(s) were brought up to match the original reading(s). The only "real" mileage on the car is Ferrari's test mileage. Semantics are wonderful no?
     
  8. texasmr2

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    Just to lighten the mood alittle, 'Hey Mike may I asked what you do for a living'?
     
  9. SSNISTR

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    #34 SSNISTR, Oct 10, 2008
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    Sorry man, but look at it from my side. I honesty don't recall seeing your name and I have been here since 2004. When some guy says he got a 2008 Enzo, when production ended in 2004 you have to be wonder what's up.

    But if it is what it is, congrats and good luck with it!
     
  10. SSNISTR

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    So what model year is it? I assume the VIN is still the same and it is what ever the donor car was?
     
  11. joe sackey

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    WOW, very interesting....
     
  12. joe sackey

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    Based on Tool's explanation that Ferrari SpA used the original chassis number and even tried to match the original mileage (obviously to convince the authorities that it was nothing more than the same old car coming back home), the model year would logically also be the year that chassis number was issued.

    But, who says logic and Supercars should be in the same sentence?

    I mean: if I sent a damaged USA F40 to Ferrari SpA for a TOTAL rebuild/re-manufacture and it was completed this August, will it be assigned a 2008 model year? Makes little sense to me...
     
  13. Jdahlstrom

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    uhh i think your lying to. :D
     
  14. NVPhotoman007

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    #39 NVPhotoman007, Oct 10, 2008
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    Quote of the year... love it.
    and Congratulations!

    lost too...

    I cant find the the tub photo of the Enzo I saw a few weeks ago..
    but I also want to know if I sent JUST the "frame _tub" of this car to Ferrari... and nothing else, could I get a new enzo?
    or would I get used parts..?
    thanks
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  15. NVPhotoman007

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    BTW I'm flying to Switzerland...... Right Now!!!

    Please get some pics for your 2 babys!!!
     
  16. djui5

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    I sure did. Thanks for sharing Mike! That car is an amazing piece of machinery.
     
  17. zoRob

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    Thanks for posting the pics. Whats with the 'skinny' wheel in the second photo?
     
  18. icemanbops

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    Gentlemen

    Tool is wrong to post info that he has no ownership of or rights to (the Classiche letter! what ******) for a start.

    I am willing to share the experience, post photos, answer questions, even if possible hook up and gives guys a blast in any of my cars. However this is my car, these are photos of my car and the negativity or the tone of the conversations really pisses me off. If a guy genuinely wants to share a dream that really can only be experienced by say 350 at a time, why the negativity or tone of putting one down.

    Tool is obviously a multi supercar owner with vast experience of such machines or has sold many such vehicles and obviously has many hundreds of hours driving them. He certainly talks as he is a veteran. And offering information that is not correct. Or maybe he lives at home with his parents!

    I will clarify everything right now.

    This car is a 2008 Enzo. It is a completely new build to USA spec. All components are brand new. It is the last time Ferrari will ever do this due to many legal implications. This was a nightmare for them.

    Originally manufactured for the USA, Ferrari put the last pollution test mileage reading on the odometer as this was the last recorded mileage in the USA for the original vehicle. Once I purchased the vehicle and chose to keep it in Europe, it was decided that he car could be recorded as a new car with the correct mileage with classiche certification and warranty starting from date of registration.

    The vehicle is now registered in Switzerland and the mileage is the correct mileage at 285kms. The vehicle is registered as a 2008 vehicle. Ferrari were happy with this for Switzerland but not the States due to many far reaching compliance issues that have come into effect from 2004 to 2008. The Enzo would have had to comply with these if it was to be registered as a 2008 car in the USA. Ferrari have issued a warranty for this car, the only one in existence for an Enzo in the world.

    This is the last Enzo that will ever be built due to the ever increasing regulatory requirements and the fact that Ferrari have stated their desire to Finally end production of this fantastic car.

    The reason I purchased the car and the reason I have refused a few multi million $ bids for it is, that it is a car with no stories or dramas and a car I purchased to hand down to my Son knowing that it is a true car.

    So having people malign it or cast shadows doubts whatever over it is not appreciated. Its my sons car, its also the last ever and I dare say the best example in the world of a truly historic car, the ENZO FERRARI, named after the man himself. Whatever ferrari produce from now on this is the pinnacle.

    Anyways I guess I shall get on with business and stop posting again.

    Regards

    Mike
     
  19. BAKY

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    Guys this will sum up this entire post!

    Round 1

    Round 2 - We have a challenger!

    Round 3 - SSNISTR GETS KNOCKED THE F OUT....Game over!

    ROUND 4 - SSNISTR CONCEDES!

    ROUND 5 - WINNER GOES BACK TO WORK A CHAMPION!

     
  20. EMILIO

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    first of all: congrats on your new awesome aquisition!
    you have an impressive collection, man

    this said: i am sorry if something hurted your feelings but you did post a thing that is -at very least- hard to believe and you should aspect some questions....

    i mean, if i would come up with "i just bought a 2008 new miura SV" i would aspect MANY asking for answers....don't you agree?
    we are talking about a car that is not in production since years and all petrolheads in the world know it !

    you now had kindly gave us all the infos and the thing "starts" (because i am still not sure if a rebuilt 04 car with still the same chassis number could really be considered a new 2008 car....) to makes sense

    nobody is telling you this car is a piece of c..p story car or a wrecked car, take it easy and relax: we all believe you have a hell of a car right there
    it is now for sure one of, if not THE, very best example out there being rebuilt by factory itself and its special history could make it more desirable than most of the other enzos

    i am sure it will NEVER be a car with no stories or dramas though ( just the question if this car should be considered a 04 or a 08 will come up for ever, but in my opinion it could only add to the mistical aura of your new jewel and make it a even more special enzo ;) )

    i have some questions still:
    are all the pieces in the car new?
    is the chassis new?
    if it is so why ferrari had not put a new VIN to the car?

    about the year: is it just the swiss registration a 2008? or is the car certified as a 2008 by factory to?
    tks for your time and for sharing all of this with us

    a last thing: the "Whatever ferrari produce from now on this is the pinnacle." sounds a little bit ...exagerated to me....
    c'mon you do not even know what Ferrari will come up from now and there are sooooo many ferrari that have a BIG place in the sport car history!!!

    may be "this is the pinnacle to me" would sound better ;)



    Emilio





     
  21. SSNISTR

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    #46 SSNISTR, Oct 11, 2008
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    That makes no sense to me. If you rebuild a 2004 model year car, it still is a 2004 model year car if you ask me.

    I can't remember the members name here, but someone did have a wrecked F40 rebuilt by the factory recently, and it stayed its orginal model year if I remember right....I think it was a 1990.

    EDIT: If the car has the same VIN, which would show it as a 2004 or what not how can they call it s 2008?
     
  22. SSNISTR

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    The orginal post looked like bs, so I called it like most of the board most likey thought.

    After "proof" was given I took it back. Grow up Billy Bob from Kentucky.
     
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  23. detlr2dastars

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    How was proof given???? There still is no proof? what are you referring to? And there still are no pictures...... oh and btw....I just bought a Veyron......... its for my sons girlfriend ...
     
  24. Marcel Massini

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    ZFFCW56A130134952 was originally red and an US version. Assembly #51992. Sold new to Mr. E. in N.J./USA.
    October 21, 2006, crashed in CA and burnt completely, driver killed.
    02/2007 motor and transmission of the wreck for sale on ebay by somebody in Hayward/CA who claimed he had bought it from an insurance auction.
    Marcel Massini
     
  25. Skyler

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    Hi Mike,
    Congrats on the purchase and nice to hear the details.
    Don't stop posting because of a few members, there are plenty more that enjoy reading threads like this.

    Cheers.
     

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