CHINA GP: Friday's Driver's Briefing To Scruntinize Hamilton's On-Track Behavior

ROTFLMAO. My head... oh, my head..what is it that the hate runs so deep you can't see the wood for the trees, for most of his short time in F1 he has been leading the WDC yet you figure him 6th!!!!!!

Please Franco give me your top 6 then.

Like Jim said, in a mid pack car he would be doing exactly the same if not more than Fred is in his Renault.

 

Good point, only Massa would have to lead by 10 points to be a worthy Champ.

 

6th best? LOL - Franco, you must at least acknowledge you are incredibly biased and hate the guy. I dislike Alonso, but I still rate him as one of the top 3 on the grid without question. I think it's often picking nits to choose the "best" because so much of it has to do with the car, luck, and other things, but to deny that Hamilton is at least on the same level as whomever you consider to be the best guys on the current grid is just laughable. We don't even need to argue about it, because the facts show it. Unless you want to tell me Alonso isn't that great a driver and beating him in is rookie year is no big deal for Hamilton? I also laugh when everyone wants to suddenly say this guy or that guy is the next big thing. I remember people rushing to kiss Rosberg's ass when he debuted a couple years back. Then when Sutil had his good race at Monaco, people on here were saying how he'll be in a Ferrari some day. Now it's Vettel and Kubica. They are all good drivers, but again, despite my dislike on a personal level for Alonso, I think Fernando would be wiping the floor with Vettel or Sutil or Kubica. Maybe not by a huge margin, but I have no doubt at all he'd be beating them in equal cars. I rate Alonso highly, and Hamilton beat him in equal cars, fair and square.

As for the comparison to Alonso being a joke - what? They were in the SAME car. Identical! Hamilton is a rookie. He got into the car and beat Alonso. That's a pure and simple *fact*. Anything else is just excuses invented by people too myopic and bitter to acknowledge the truth... that's why such invented stories like "oh but they didn't support Alonso as well" and other junk is paraded out there. Based on nothing but speculation derived from a bitter dislike of Hamilton and a willingness to invent and tout as fact any conjured up reason why Alonso couldn't hang with Hamilton. It's equally silly to me saying that Kimi didn't do well this year because the team subtly helped Massa while hampering Kimi - it's just BS! Kimi just simply didn't do as well on the track this year as his teammate, just like Alonso just simply didn't do as well on the track as last year as his teammate. Inventing team-bias conspiracy theories is silly and presumes McLaren don't really want to win and don't really want the (perhaps hundreds of) millions of dollars and prestige associated with that. How stupid does it sound to say the Red Sox tried to sabotage Manny Ramirez and screw themselves out of a championship just to make Manny look bad? All they had to do if they hate him so much is fire him. If they keep him on, obviously it's so they can WIN, not lose.

As for the "tire change rule" - what rule are you talking about? The spec tires? Or the single tire per race? If you mean the latter, it was implemented in 2005. Who could have known which of the two tires would be the best? You are looking back on it with hindsight and saying it was designed to hit Ferrari - nonsense. How could the FIA know who would respond with the best tire to a rules change? And it was done away with in 2006, so how can you say Alonso was gifted the WDC that year? He won it fair and square both years.... if anything, because of Ferraris disasterous performance in 2005, the FIA rescinded the single-tire rule to help them out... what other reason was there to do away with the tire rule? The only negative was Ferrari never managed to make it work for them and fell to 3rd in the WCC... it was rescinded after just one year. And you call that a bias *against* Ferrari? I'll tell you what was a BS thing that happened in 06... the mass dampers were banned. What a crock! And only because Renault had been so successful with it.

I don't understand your comment about the high temp places... what situation are you claiming was found to be sub-optimal for Ferrari that was then mandated for all future races? Quite the opposite... when something has sucked for Ferrari, the rules have changed to make it OK for them (Renaults mass damper, Ferrari and single race tires)

As for Alonso and how he looks - again, despite my dislike of the guy, he has looked fantastic. He took a pig of a car and got some pretty good results out of it. Nobody disputes his talent... look at him compared to Piquet. Look at Alonso compared to Fisichella or Trulli or anyone else he had as a teammate. He wiped the floor with all of them, except Hamilton.

A standardized engine/tranny will do nothing to show who has more talent... we can already see it. That's why we know Kubica is talented even though his car is no match for the Ferrari. That's why Alonso was recognized as talented even when he was driving for Minardi. That's why we know Hamilton is talented even though his car is slightly slower than the Ferraris. To suggest that equal cars are required to display talent is as silly as the Rubens comment. Rubens paled in comparison to Schumi - nobody ever disputed that.

 

If he has not been in the lead.....what has he done. Look at all the offs and the ramming of Kimi from behind. All this from a socalled great driver. Please....just look at the last race in the first turn...and there are so so so many other events he has been involved in his short time in F1 the least not being the ramming of Kimi's car from behind in the pits. Maybe you and his other worshipers in here choose to ignore all of those events but many do not. There are just too many of them to be a coincidence.

 

Superb post Mike.

 

I'm not ignoring his balls up!!/ brain fade whatever you want to call them, he shoot's himself in the foot with them lets not forget that!! So along with the FIA pathetic penalitys he gets reeled in with, he is STILL leading the WDC and you say he is the 6th best driver on the grid.......please you really are stretching it!! is HK better then, is Massa better, is Kimi better is FA better, is Button better, tell me please who is 1 2 3 4 5 6.LH IYO

 

I am not biased as I was actually defending him on this very site last year until he started to open his mouth. No matter where you go and whatever profession...Its not just how you do your job its also what comes out of ones mouth that makes the person liked or not. How many rookies have been given the chance to start their careers in one of the top cars in F1? None.....right. Imagine Kubica, Vettle, Webber, amongst others in the past what they would have looked like starting in a top car
As for the tires in 2005.....Yes it was designed to stop MS....MS will one day shed lots of light on what the hell went on in F1 and still is now.
A standardized engine and tranny is on the way if the FIA has its way and for you to say that equal cars for the whole field will not show who is the best......well not much more need be said.
As for the 2005 tire rule.....Do you really think that that rule was just a guess?...They knew exactly what was going on and which tire did not suite Ferrari well for the whole race just as everyone knows right now that the option tire suites the Ferrari more than the Macs in hotter temps.

As for Jim shooting his mouth off about me not knowing much about F1......Here Ill give you a tidbit to chew on and one day it will be on the F1 sites......Kimi is blowing it big time because he is hooked on Coke.

 

I tell you what the more I look at the last race the more it confirms the total utter complete and waste of time it is arguing about it with Ferrari fans filled with hate.

In a nut shell ,LH locks up!, at worst bunches the field up, runs off doesn't hit anyone!!!.

Massa runs off track cuts corner comes back on track T bones Lewis in a suicide bomber move putting him at the back then smashes himself into Bourdais and gets a lift up the grid, after the race had finished....A FACT

 

When you make posts like that you really make yourself look foolish but then you have your backers so it makes you feel good. ITS THE CAR THAT MAKES HIM LOOK GOOD! But then you dont get that do you? Many drivers in the field today would do great in that car or the Ferrari. Its amazing how so many in here were saying that Massa stunk but now he must be doing good because of the car right?

 

I see....So when Lewis went into the 1st corner like an amature and sliced right across the whole field with no hope of ever being able to make the corner....then its OK? You say Massa ran off the track but when Lewis cut the whole damn chicane you defend him. Please!! I guess LH locking up gave Lewis too much speed to make the turn....Wow! "The fact that you call Massa's move a suicide bomber move and not Lewis's complete slashing of the first turn is a laugh for sure. You are so wrapped up in your love of Lewis that you are irrational now.

 

Franco, I will say I'm foolish if you tell me who you think is better than LH as you rate him 6th

 

heh end of the day people have been begging for more action on the track for years.....for all his faults....LH definatley gives us action!

That said so does the ferrari pit crews electronic equipment haha

Some people seem to want the cake and the cake shop lmao

 

No I just don't see it that way, go back and look at all the races this year and tell me a race where no driver locked his wheel up on the first corner, I have!, I'm not trying to defend his action on the 1st corner, it was a stupid move, and he didn't need to do it, HK also locked up!!.

Look where HK is, look where LH is both are to blame.
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After Lewis forced him off line!!

When Lewis ducked out from behind Kimi to the inside, he pushed HK off his line, and then proceeded to slide directly across the turn in front of Heikki, forcing his teammate off his approach for the corner. Then they both slid across the turn, forcing Kimi to dodge off track, which also pushed Massa off there, too.

Alonso also wound up getting passed by Kubica, while avoiding the fiasco at turn 1. That one move disrupted the first three rows of the grid.

And then Lewis tells the press, "other people locked up there too". Right. Like bashing into a car and saying, "the other guy was in an accident, too".

 

End result no one crashed!! anyone would think he caused a pile up the way your whining he didn't, try watching another sport it sounds to me it's dangerous for your taste.

Leave it to the FIA mate.

 

Franco,

I think you are biased... I think you really don't like Hamilton and you just can't take his side. There's nothing wrong with that... it's very hard to dislike someone and defend them. I can't stand Alonso, I laugh heartily every time he has a bad race result, but I can't deny he's a great talent. As for Hamilton, I find him refreshing, and I think he's a good driver to boot. I think anyone would admit that he's not going to get a fair shake on a Ferrari site, especially when he's made comments over the season that rub folks the wrong way (like when he said he tricked Massa into making a mistake, and Kimi should STFU and get out of his way or whatever).

As for rookies who started in a very fast car, I don't have time to look a bunch up but Montoya started in a Williams which at the time was very much a top car. As for Kubica, Vettel, Webber or any of those - I don't think ANY of them would have been able to challenge Alonso in their rookie year. That's the feat, because Alonso is very good, so to beat him means you have to be equally good, or better. No way would just about any of the other drivers on grid have done so, which is what makes Hamilton such a stand-out talent.

As for the tire rule, how do you know it was designed to stop MS? How can you say, other than with 20/20 hindsight, that the rule was supposed to be punitive towards Ferrari? I'm not talking about what the effect was, but why was Ferrari (who was constantly talked about how close their relationship with b-stone was) in a lesser position to benefit from that rule than anyone else? If they mandated 500 sq-in surface area on front wings starting in '09, who would that be aimed at? Answer: nobody, but if Ferrari happened to benefit the best, could we say it was aimed at McLaren? IMO, I don't think so. The tires had been designed and tested before the rule was implemented. The FIA talked to B-stone who said "yes we could make a tire last all the race", and thats what happened. There was no secret data showing it hurt Ferrari more, and if you have proof of the contrary, please let me know because I've never seen it or heard of it.

As for Kimi - well, I have never heard that about him... we shall see but if it's true then he's the first cokehead to get mellow from snorting it

 

FIAsco my arse!!

 

So are you saying if Alonso was driving a Force India, he wouldn't be doing any better than Fisichella? How could that be true? There have always been gaps between teammates.

Rubens couldn't hold a candle to MS in an equal car.

Heiki can't hold a candle to Lewis in an equal car.

Massa couldn't hold a candle to MS in an equal car.

Fisichella couldn't hold a candle to Alonso in an equal car.

Piqeuet can't hold a candle to Alonso in an equal car.

And on and on. So how can it be just the car? It's not just the car - it's the driver too. And that's why Hamilton was able to beat Alonso in an equal identical car - because he's a great driver. Similarly, that's why Heiki can't hang with Lewis and why Piquet can't hang with Alonso - because both of them are lesser drivers.

 

LH was the fastest F1 driver on top gear, that settles that hah

Oh and it was in the wet, the other were in the dry....even beat Stig....for me thats enough to cement his raw ability.....he just needs time to take the edge off it a bit.

 

So I guess Hami getting bumped by Massa on lap 2 was just good clean fun, too, eh? Nobody got hurt there, either, right?

What a bunch of wussies, wearing seat belts and helmets and all ...

 

Are you looking for validation in life? FYI, FChat is the wrong place!

Tone down your behavior as your LH obsession is getting a bit tiring. Also, I assume that you are a grown up man and might be setting an example for your son/daughter.

 

So now you pull a Ted and start rearanging my post for me. Did I say fisi was better than Alonso? ect ect ect for the rest of your supposition. Both Alonso and Lewis had 109 points and 4 wins each. If you call that beating someone then good for you. I call it a tie.

 

Alonso, Kimi, Vettel, Kubica, Massa. Kimi may drop off the list if he dosnt get some substance abuse help soon. He looked good in Quali last night and his post quali interview looks like he is getting the help he needs. Put Webber in an equal car and he will do good as well.

 

I'm foolish. Funny really you put FA on top!! I actually remember you questioning the fact that Alonso couldn't bring Renault back to the front, well I think he isn't to to bad now, and you rate him best driver., ermmm

If you would like me to dig out your all post's, mate I will!! I wouldn't think I would have to go back to far in time..

 

Well Lewis finished 2nd and Alonso finished 3rd in the championship, and those are facts. If this was reversed you'd be using that point too. It's amazing to me that you can overlook how well Lewis did in his rookie year against Alonso, overlook his brilliant drives, and point at his mistakes as if they wash away everything else. You know, Senna and MS made plenty of mistakes themselves, it's impossible to get it right all the time. You just look really biased man, there is no other way to explain your inaccurate and overlooking opinion of his ability. Other drivers, even one's who have criticized him like Webber or Alonso have said "He's extremely talented" or "extremely fast".