Custom Brake Upgrade: Front & Rear 15" Brembo GT kit

WOW!

WHO DID THE FERRARI LETTERING?

 

Shashi,

Well done, they do look excellent. what whas the weight of the discs and calipers?
Do you know how much extra weight they added vs the older discs and pads?
Any figures on stopping power?
Whats the pad surface?
What pads you using?
Still got a working handbrake?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, I'm just in the process of fitting a CCM kit for my 360 which I salvaged from a dead Challenge Stradale. Your right fitting CCM is very costly as I've found out. I eventually want to fit Siemens electronic Wedge brakes but they aren't on any production cars yet so I need to wait a while to get my hand on them.

I only went the CCM vs Big Brembo brake kit (steel) because of the unsprung weight benefits but I've been told these steel brakes have absolutely sensational brake feel and actually don't weight all that much more (due to the lightweight center bells).

Whatever, congrats, they look EPIC!

Regards,

Trev

 

That looks awesome. Nice work.

 

Excellent work, they look great. Well done.

I too think the stock F430 steel brakes look too small.........too much empty space inside the wheels.

 

That looks so sexy..Its begging to be taken out on a mountain road

 

looks great. awesome brakes you got there

 

Hey Shashi,

I am glad to see you got the kit installed. If anyone else is interested in these kits let me know. We can get custom painted calipers in any colors and we can have the "FERRARI" script added as well.

 

Have you had any issues with the various traction control and stability and electronic differential programs dealing with the larger swept area and thus increased brake torque? Also, do you know if the rotors are available slotted vs drilled? My experience with drilled (albeit on a Porsche race car) rotors is that they crack much easier than slotted. Any issue with modulation and pedal feel? You're moving a lot more fluid (it's all relative) when you hit the brakes now.

No question that the brakes look MUCH BETTER than stock. Going from a 2007 Porsche GT3 with Ceramics to a 2005 F430 with steel rotors has been very disappointing in terms of braking. Scary how long the stopping distance is. I'm at the very least going to switch to Ferodo DS2500 pads (which I used on my F355 to good effect).

 

Don't want to hijack this thread, but I'm curious... don't all traction and stability controls utilize wheel speed/position sensors for feedback? If this is the case then factors affecting braking due to swept area, condition of pads, moisture, heat, etc. aren't measured directly anyway - only the end result, that being wheel rotary position, velocity, and acceleration/deceleration. I'm not sure about this, but I'd like to be educated if I am wrong...

Oh, and yes, those brakes look MUCH more serious!

 

I have the same Brembo setup and they work very good and they look great too.
Weight is a little bit more everything is bigger.
I track the car and the feel of the BBK is very good almoust no fade after several laps.

Anyway I am going to change them for CCM red scuderia.

 

The rotors are available slotted from Brembo if desired but their drilled rotors hold up fine as long as you don't run them with race pads.

Gary

 

Agreed... but on a new 430 it just can't be good for the car's warranty.

 

I recently installed the Brembo GT kit (a big THANKS to Jason at Exotica Motorsports for getting them put together and shipped out in a rush while I was out of the country) on my F430 coupe and then immediately did three track days on them at Summit Point. I couldn't be happier. Here are my impressions:

Here are my impressions...

The car is VERY capable. Totally set up for the street and on street tires, it was better than my 997 GT3. More neutral and stupidly fast. 155 mph into the braking zone in turn 1 and I was lifting before braking....could easily do 160+ but 150-155 seemed stupid enough in a street car with no harnesses, etc. I could brake at the second to last marker and easily scrub off more than enough speed to make turn 1. Every bit as good as my 911 race car which weighed 2200 pounds and had huge brakes (calipers were same used on the Porsche 917 race cars).

The brakes are simply amazing. I was EASILY out braking F430's with ceramics. Threshold braking was a bit problematic (pedal feel not as precise as I would like - but I'm sure with practice I could do it), so I just relied on the ABS. Car squirmed like crazy under braking due to the tires. Everyone on street tires was having the same issues...not surprising considering the tread blocks on the street tires. If I do a lot of track days next year I'll want to try that, but only if I get dedicated track wheels and tires...which, of course, I'm now considering. The limiting factor was definitely the tires. I completely destroyed the fronts....just like in my 993 street car before I switched to track tires. Car has almost no camber in the front, so no real surprise. If I do more of this stuff, I'll have to go with at least 1.5 degrees all around to save the tires, no matter what tires I use.

But overall, I was very impressed with the car. So I think the brakes are outstanding and would recommend them to anyone.

As for the pads that came with the brake kit, they seemed to work well. I used about 1/2 of the pad on the rears and less than 2/3 on the fronts. Very even wear. They did gas out in the second run session, but I knew what to do, and expected it, so no problems. I was running Motul PBF600 fluid, and only once did I feel any brake fade....and that was from me braking poorly in turn 1 and I got the fade going into turn 3....but managed to get through the corner and then did a cool down lap before getting onto them hard again, and they were fine. I will probably try Ferodo DS3000's with track tires next spring and can only imagine how well these brakes will haul down this car.

For anyone with a 430 that tracks the car, I can only say one thing....buy this kit and install it before your next track event and prepare to be blown away by the stopping performance.

Pics attached.

Let me throw in some kudo's to the folks I worked with on this kit. Jason at Exotica Motorsports sourced them for me, Richard at Competizione in Gaithersburg installed them for me while I was out of town, and the guy I use for overall brake performance advice and for my rotor and pad replacements is Paul Weston of Weston Motorsports. He spent an unbelievable amount of time working with Ferodo and Brembo (who do not apparently cooperate well with one another) on pads and pad fitment. I've used Paul for 10 years for all of my street and track cars and he's just incredible to work with and I have always been very happy with the results. I ended up just using the pads that came with the kit (which are Ferodo FM1100 pads) due to unavailability of the DS3000 pads I wanted. All are great folks to work with and I couldn't have gotten this package put together and installed without their support. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend any of these folks.

Kevin
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How did the CCB conversion turn out?
Any pictures?

 

Sashi
What was the cost for the upgrade and where you purchased?,PM me if you can.

Jeff

 

The front kit is $4250 and the rear is $5295. The FERRARI script and custom painted calipers are $300 per kit. Both Fasthound and Shasi purchased from us at Exotica Motorsports. They went with red calipers but you can request any color you want by supplying us with a paint code which we pass onto Brembo. It takes 2-3 weeks for the custom caliper colors if you want to go that route. The kits are designed for non-CCM cars and so if you have a car with carbon brakes you will need to purchase non-CCM rear e-brake calipers and then the kits will work. We could get you the factory calipers as well but I am told they are about $1800. If anyone is interested in this amazing brake kit just give us a call.

Fasthound, I am very glad to see that you liked the brakes so much and I must say that they turned out beautiful.

 

I have MAYA Rims.Do you have the measurements of the calipers?

 

I have a diagram somewhere showing all the measurements. If I can't find it I will get it from Brembo tomorrow.

 

I think the same of mines,super good upgrade now only change those stupid springs for AFCO and you will get a really nice street/track car!

 

Thank you

 

Dont hold your breath for the Siemens wedge brakes. They are still very much a prototype project without a launch date or platform

They are also not being developed with high performance in mind, and if ever available it will be for standard road use, and not suited to high-temp, high-performance applications, and the electronics and hardware required to make them function on a vehicle with a hydraulic system in place : no ECU support and no tie-in to traction control, changing to an e-pedal assembly---if anybody would take that on, would make CCM look cheap. Besides, you dont want to be the guy who melts the housing to the electric wedge screw drives approching the hairpin at 150mph

Cant imagine what benefit you are hoping for from them. (the benefit to OEM manuf. is cheaper costs overall due to removal of hyd. system). iron rotors and CCM can overwhelm any current tire and the brakes can lock from any speed/load....thats all that can be asked from them in terms of function.

cheers
eric

 

Here is a cross section of the rotors and calipers with measurements in cm. Brembo said that you should be able to send this to your wheel manufacturer and they should be able to tell you if the new brakes will fit.
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