Ferrari threats leaving F1 if FIA decides to take the single engine route...

The only problem with this theory is that its not only Ferrari making this threat. In fact, Ferrari have been more political in their comments regarding this than Toyota, BMW, and Mercedes.
If the FIA is their infinate idiocy chose to move forward with this completely assinine and short-sighted plan, All of the major manufacturers have now stated they would likely (or more than likely) leave the series.
The simple nuts and bolts of it are this: a standardized engine rule would make negate any definition of "manufacturer series" for F1, and as the manufacturers themselves have said, there would be no reason for their participation anymore.
So, if the FIA wants to "call Ferrari's bluff", the result would not even touch on the question of the importance of Ferrari's participation in F1, but would culminate in a mass exodus of anyone that mattered at all in the series.
Im not sure what kind of series it would be with Force India, Torro Rosso, Red Bull, and maybe Williams running around with some FIA branded engine, build by who knows who? One thing is for sure, the people driving Toyota's, Renaults (and Nissans as well), BMW's, Mercedes, and of course Ferraris, certainly wont care. And really, who is then left? Definitely not enough of anyone to call it a World Championship.

 

PornoMax leaving F1 alone will save a lot of money fullstop! and green house gas with the amount of BS coming out of his rancid mouth.

 

What do you need with the traditional fan base when you're moving the sport lock, stock and barrel to the third world?

 

Lateral thinking indeed Dave, as if they give a rats ass about us anyway.

 

I'd call that perfect timing. Move where the vast majority don't know the difference. 20 rounds of the 2005 USGP might be exciting if you weren't aware that Toyota, BMW, Honda, Renault and MB, add a little to the show.

Nice to see the manufacturers finally questioning the old gypsies. Going to be a tough year pushing snake oil when the series has zero credibility and the core support slowly swings towards a series where they're actually welcomed. Once the manufacturers pack up, hopefully we'll be watching them unpack the trailers at new (certainly more familiar) venues.

I'm putting my money on Renault to back out first. No French GP, no front line drivers to support, Renault sales plummeting, Ghosn the axe pulling the strings and Renault's typically Gallic ways (..ask Warwick..) make me believe they'll be gone first.

 

I wonder if Audi peed a little when Ferrari said they might leave F1?

Oh and can we introduce these guys to BE?
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Rumor has it the FIA supports Obama and his redistribution of wealth farce ;-)

 

Let's keep this a politics free thread.

 

Politics free and FIA in the same thread is an oxymoron.

 

Granted. I was, of course, referencing US presidential politics.

 

exactly

 

Like, oh 25-35 years ago with a Cosworth ?

 

Could be. When PSA pulled both Citroen and Peugeot out of WRC, FIA effectively folded up the whole WRC series, transforming it to be non-manufacturer oriented.

I could see FIA trying to run the F1 series (the manufacturers' event) completely without manufacturers.
Come to beautiful downtown Elbonia to see the F1 title fight between the Maxmobile and the Trabant.

(Now if only we could swing an exemption for the ad ban for traditional booze and smokes ads at the euro venues, we'd be all set for a spin-off series.)

 

We should ban together. If Ferrari Folds, we all chip in to buy a Ferrari. There's what 10,000 members here? $10 a piece would buy a nice Ferrari.

We will drag it out on to the docks, fill the front seat with 91 octane and toss in a lit zippo. Alert the media. Show them we're serious.

Can you imagine 1,000 Ferrari owners showing up to sacrifice one of their own? How fun!

 

So they drop the USGP, Canada, dropping tracks in europe. Asia seems to really want F1 racing, but they cant build anything competitive, certainly they cant compete against the big three. A spec engine would level the playing field to their level. But it removes all technological advancement that has been a key part of motor racing for over 100 years. But it really looks like the FIA wants to go "that way". I say let em.

I do not believe for a moment that F1 means enough to Ferrari owners in the US to have any effect on Ferrari's popularity. If they pulled out of F1 and focused more on prototype and Lemans racing, especialy in a series that showed their production cars, I cant see how it wouldnt be a bigger hit. I also believe that the majority of Ferrari owners are so sick and fed up with the BS in F1, they will totally support Ferrari if they pull away. I know I will, and by the sounds of it I believe everyone else here would as well.

 

+1

 

+1 I'd really like to see Ferrari return to its roots and race the hardware that goes onto production machines.

 

I agree.

A factory assault on prototype racing would be fantastic!

 

I agree as well.
I just want to see the Ferrari Factory Team compete at a very high level.
I wish they would change the Le Mans series to be just one type of car. When I watch those races it is very difficult to get excited since most of the time the cars on any one given section of track aren't racing each other.
F1 is great because you can watch the whole spectacle of the race strategy develop throughout the race.

One series of supercars or prototype cars competing head to head from the major factories.

Ferrari vs. Porsche vs McLaren vs BMW vs Audi vs (American brand/'vette-based supercar) vs Aston/Prodrive vs Red Bull team with a Lamborghini ('cause you know they'll be there too) vs Japanese Supercar.
One global series, race at all the best F1 tracks.
Glamor, money, Varsha and crew calling the races.
Cars have to be production-car based, and very close in appearance to production/purchaseable car.

 

Max is just playing a little payback game for comments and positions taken by team principles after his little tryst in a hotel. He knows this will NEVER fly. Without major manufacture participation, including,and especially Ferrari, F1 as we all know it would be dead. Regards, Mike Regalia

 

Possible.

 

I honestly believe 90% of NEW Ferrari sales are to people who could give a rats behind about F1. I doubt they can even name the drivers. To them Ferrari is a status symbol that just happens to have a famous racing team in Europe which makes it elitest therefore cool.

The excuse of transforming race car technology to street cars is invalid. It doesn't happen (any more).
KERS may change that.

 

That may be true(really unquantifiable), but they do know Ferrari's status comes from their long and storied racing history, both sports and F1 combined, and that's who Ferrari is, the company that built street cars to support it's racing programs. No other marque before or since has achieved such status!! Regards, Mike Regalia

 

No Ferrari in F1= GREATLY reduced prestige for the sport and profits for Bernie. And THAT ain't gonna happen!

 

Oh, and how do you suppose highly advanced computer controlled turbo systems in street cars got their start? Or variable valve timing? Or paddle shifting, which is becoming more common every day? Where did those tings come from again, NASCAR?