Those who experienced both ferrari & lambo

why would you want to bridge the gap? They really are very different cars. Lambo is a much more rare car. it doesn't have any racing history, there are very few models over a short period and they didn't make many total. There is little in the way of community from what i can tell. Like all cars, it depends what you want out of your car. if you want exclusivity and wow factor, lambo will give you a little more than ferrari. if you want history and community, ferrari will give you more. Performance wise, i don't see much difference. At least not in the way most of us use the cars. I have to tell you though, the community and "car guy" factor is really low with the lambo's in my experience. something that is very important to me as a hobbyist. This is of course all model dependent. my thoughts are general to the companies. For example an F40 is gonna give you a lot more exclusivity and wow factor than a jalpa.

 

Truth, akin to blonde vs. brunette.

 

Not true. It has some, just not very much.

 

Where do I start ?



resale value ?

It is true, the latest V-8 boy racer, has excellent resale value. The 3xx models will drop in value, after the new model has been released. As of today, you can find a decent early 25,000 mile 355 Spyder, for the mid 50/55's. The Lamborghini 12cyl supercars, have actually done quite well on resale value, in comparision to the Ferrari 12 cyl supercars, of the same model year. Let's take a look at the resale value, of the modern F and L supercars.

LP 400
365 BB

LP 400, is worth significantly more money.

LP 400S1
512BB

LP 400S1, is worth more money.

Countach 5000S
512BBi

These cars are worth about the same. A queen 512BBi, will be worth more money than a similar condition 5000S. The drivers are worth about the same.

85-89 Countach QV - US F.I. car
85 Countach QV - Weber carbs
85-91 Testarossa

Both Countach autos, are worth significantly more money, than the T-R. The Countach QV with the Webers, is worth almost 75-100K more, than a typical Testarossa.

91/92 Diablo
512 TR

The cars are priced about the same.

1994 Diablo VT
1994 512 TR

These cars are priced about the same.

1994 SE 30
1995 F512M

These cars are priced about the same.

98 Diablo SV Berlinetta and Roadster
98 550 Maranello

The Diablo Berlinetta and Roadster, are both worth significantly more money.

99 Diablo Roadster / Momo Roadster
550 Barchetta

These cars are worth about the same.

2001 550 Maranello
2001 6.0

The 6.0, is worth significantly more money.

2002-04 575M
2002-04 Murcielago

The Murcielago, is worth more money.

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This is my opinion. You have exceptions to these values. One sale, does not set a market price. Asking prices and selling prices, are two different figures.
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Reliability and service costs ?

I believe they are quite similar. The cam-belt service on a flat 12, is not cheap. I have never had to change a clutch on a L-car. I understand a clutch service on a 12cyl Countach and Diablo, will cost anywhere from $7,500-12K+. I understand a cam-belt service on a flat 12, will cost anywhere from $7,500-12K+. The clutch on a L car, can be protected, with proper engagement. The cam-belts on the flat-12, cannot be protected by the driver.

Heritage and racing ?

I feel little connection when driving a street Ferrari, with the F-1 cars on the race track. The last Gentlemens racer, was the 275GTB/C - that has been a long time ago. I have read the Sears catalog more often, than looking at a copy of F-1 magazine. It is quite obvious, that Ferrari has had excellent results on the racetrack, from the 1950's and 1960's. Lamborghini has done nothing on the race track - it has been nothing but failures. If the racetrack is your thing, it is probably best to look at a F car. Ferrari has also done better, in marketing the brand to the consumer.

In my opinion, in the past, the Lamborghini factory and distribution network, have done a poor job, in comparison to Ferrari. In the past, you had to wait forever, to obtain a Lamborghini part. I assume with modern L cars, this is not much of a problem ? Perhaps someone else can comment ? I would guess that Audi, has done a lot of work, to improve the current situation ?

Quality of product ?

In the past, Ferrari had better cosmetic quality. I have seen horrible stitching and paint quality, on L cars. Lamborghini, has closed the gap in quality, over the last few years.

Clubs ?

The Lamborghini club networks in the U.S., is a complete disaster. The F clubs, have everything organized.



Which car to buy ?

1. Buy whatever makes you happy. As of today, the 12 cyl F cars cater to a broader group of buyers, than the 12 cyl L cars. Today's L buyer, is quite different from the L buyer of the 60's and 70's. Most buyers of these cars today, have different desires and expectations, from the earlier buyers from decades ago.

L buyers from the 60's and 70's, accepted a poor dealer network, shortages of supplies, a lack of qualified dealer service departments, difficulty with operating the vehicle, poor a.c. ventilation, lack of quality service manuals, poor paint quality and delays from the factory etc... This was all accepted, for the desire to buy the most raw and uncivilized production automobile available for sale. Both marques, have become much easier to drive and live with. At this point, they can both be dd's - unlike the 60's and 70's. The L cars, are more exclusive on the street. In many upscale areas, it is not unusual to see a modern Ferrari on the street.

 

Ralph, brilliant.

 

+1

 

Having driven both the F430 and the Gallardo a reasonable amount the major difference for me was the torque. Study the dyno charts, the F430 has no low end torque. It is still a brilliant car and beautifully made but the G just always has the power right there, accessible at any rpm. Take both cars at around 3k rpm and floor them. The Lambo just explodes whereas the F430 doesn't do much until the rpm's get much higher. That was the main difference from my experience.

 

I have owned both and I agree they are different cars, I am of the old school, I can not stand traction control, and never use it. The Gallardo is much easier to drive fast and much more forgiving. In the end it is your money and your tastes, drive them both and decide. You will not go wrong with either choice.

 

Purchase Both!

 

If it comes down to only one car, F430 vs G, I say F430. Drives tons better, the F-car really pushes the envelope as far as driving feel.

Sound? we tested the F430 vs the G head to head, listen and enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LDnNI8KNME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYfcMK-yD04


hope this helps

 

Well done, Ralph.

 

excellent post Ralf

i thought about the value of V12 lambos VS Ferraris and went to the same results (only difference: the BBi is worth less than a 5000S in Italy and Europe imo, may be also the SE30 is worth slightly more than a 512M here)

the fact is also that the lambos are MUCH more rare! (and also may be that in most case have a "more interesting" or distinctive design )
the only "rare" F cars of the one posted are the 550 barchetta and 512 M that are cars that holds good

imo all modern mass produced F (and L....they are building maany gallardos) will be cheap and cheaper in the near future

 

I have ridden in both Ferrari's and Lambos, yet i have only been lucky enough to drive a Lambo. Again, it's almost apples and oranges, they are two different styles of cars with two different philosophies. Ferrari is more track themed, Lambo is a road car. Both are great and are a lost of fun, but it depends on what you're looking for.

Lambo's tend to have much more "Wow" factor. They are head turners and the have out of this world space ship looks. Ferrari's tend to look more graceful and refined, how you view it depends on what type of styling you like more. But from what I've seen, any Ferrari short of an Enzo will not draw nearly as many looks as most Lambo's.

In terms of value, Ferrari's do tend to drop more than Lambos, due to the fact that Lambo's are more rare (with the exception of course being the super-Ferrari's =288GTO, F40, F50, Enzo). Speed wise they both do about the same for most road conditions that people encounter. On the track Ferrari's have more track experience so in that sense they may have the edge there, but again it depends on what you're looking for.

In case you haven't already seen it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeBd_F2Bz5Y.
14 Million views and I still don't have a clear answer. I guess it's all about personal choice.

 

2nd that statement.

 

Ive owned both. Your first question should be: why are you buying the car? Are you going to track it? Park it in the garage and polish it? Drive it like they are meant to be driven? Sunday afternoon driver? Is depreciation important? You are asking an open ended question with many variables depending on why you are buying the car in the first place. I think Ralf covered most areas...

 

The correct answer is one {or more } of each.....Its not really fair that we have choice between these two great sports cars brands...

 

I've been surrounded by these cars for many years. I have sold Ferrari and Lamborghini while working in factory authorized dealerships. I've always used the analogy sometimes you want a supermodel and sometimes you want a porn star. What is better? it depends on your mood.

 

people sure expect a lot from a car forum....
if you're not truly drawn or obsessed by a specific car, then don't
buy it. Learn what you can about different cars, and sooner or later one
should be taking over your thoughts. If not, then none were meant for you.