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  1. sindo308qv

    sindo308qv F1 Rookie

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    Ruebens has said the public doesn't now half of what happened
    at Ferrari when he was there, and that he may write it all down in
    a future book. You can read the actual quote on www.f1live.com
    I could never stand him, always the whiner/cry baby.Not even when
    he had the same car/set-up, could he post the numbers that Michael did.
    Even Eddie Irvine at least admitted that Michael was just in a league of his own,
    and did the best he could, and learn as much as possible.Reubens has to get
    over the fact that he never was or will be Senna.
     
  2. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    damn...he was a great guy. i think he does carry on this silly atttitude, he'll retire really soon.
     
  3. rr87

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    Respect to Rubens please! He actually has said before: Without Schumacher Formula One is way easier. Meaning he knows Schumacher was better than him...He's just a honest driver and says what's in his mind...that's why the Honda Team is pissed off at him. He said the truth about their ridiculous F1 car for the 08 season...
     
  4. MBFerrari

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    Calling the BULLSH$T Flag on you! RB (admittedly I am probably his biggest fan) got screwed on a number of occassions when he was with Ferrari, and clearly pushed MS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than sorry arse Irvine ever dreamed of doing. I remember being at the USGP when everyone was oohing and aahing about MS in qualifying...until RB pipped him while setting the fastest lap run at Indy in a GP car that stands to this day.

    He knew MS was great, but he refused to not kick MS's arse on a number of occasions, which is more than any other teammate ever did.
    RB is no Senna, and never will be, but he kicked Button's arse (again) in the standings this year, even though everyone continues to act as if Button is the better driver...

    I will never forget when RB dominated MS all weekend at Austria, and then they had him pull over and let MS win. What a freaking farce. I have never loved F1 the same way after that debacle. Even MS was embarrased and pulled RB up onto the top step.

    MB
     
  5. rmani

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    well since he's probably gonna lose his drive next season to a new comer like bruno senna who gives a crap what he says or thinks. we all know he made a bonehead move for leaving ferrari
     
  6. Chicko

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    #6 Chicko, Nov 14, 2008
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    RB having to move over for Schumi was harsh, but part in parcel of F1 racing, in fact i thought it was shocking that people made such a fuss, it showed that so called fans were ignorant to the history of the sport! You have to remember that the years before Ferrari finally won the champs, and started to dominated, how small a gap they had been losing the champs by! These extra points for Schumi in ferrari's eyes maybe would have been the difference between wining the champ or not !

    You say that you have never loved F1 same way after that "debacle", Well just as well you were not a Peter Collins or Stirling Moss fan. In 1956. At the final race of the season at Monza, Fangio retired his Ferrari on lap 30, and his teammate Peter Collins (who could still win the title himself!) came in on lap 35 to offer his car to his team leader. Fangio "took over the car" to finish second, behind the race winner, Moss. He beat Moss to the title by 3 points.
     
  7. cscott

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    I doubt it is the truth but even still....it is a big mistake to go out of your way to burn bridges. Every one knows that RB was a second tier F1 driver at best but driving for Ferrari was the opportunity of a lifetime, he won more races that he ever would have had the chance otherwise, and he got rich in the process. He was a good team-mate and a part of the dream team. Had he retired with ferrari, the tifosi would have treated him like a hero for the rest of his life. As it is, Honda will dump him unceremoniously in the off-season and he will have to hope that one day he can hang out in their garage and remember the not so good old days. Big mistake on his part IMHO.
     
  8. Wolfgang5150

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    I can't wait for Schumacher to come out with a book titled 'I kicked everyone's ass and still can today'!!!!
    Seriously - what deep secrets could Rubens expose?????
    Depressing - I liked the guy
    Kevin S
     
  9. gsjohnson

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    Apparently you are new to F1
     
  10. IanMac

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    We don't know Kevin, they're secrets!! ;)
     
  11. MBFerrari

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    Depends upon how you define "new" - I started watching seriously in 1982...

    MB
     
  12. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

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    LOL - true!!
    Kevin
     
  13. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Not a problem with me always liked RB, always will.
     
  14. tifosi12

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    +1

    I can't wait for Ruben's tell all book. It is about time somebody tells us the real story.
     
  15. Prova85

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    You mean the real story according to Rubens. He's lost some respect with his drunken chant in the disco. He's obviously got an axe to grind and it's eating at him. And after getting the better of his teammate this year and still might lose his job to a rookie fresh out of A1GP, it's no wonder he's becoming bitter.
     
  16. Kalidengas

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    Rubens,stop crying, leave the sport with honour...


    Rubens Barrichello

    Races : 271
    Victories : 9
    Podiums : 62
    Pole positions : 13
    Fastest Laps : 15
    Points : 530.00
    Races finished in points : 113

    Michael Schumacher

    Races : 250
    Victories : 91
    Podiums : 154
    Pole positions : 68
    Fastest Laps : 76
    Points : 1369.00
    Races finished in points : 190
     
  17. MBFerrari

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    #17 MBFerrari, Nov 14, 2008
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    Care to post the numbers for Eddie Irvine? How about DC, or some of the others with so many races...I assume you agree that MS is likely in the top 5 drivers of all time - so -
    Two comments:
    1) You don't get a seat to perform in 271 Races in F1 if you can't drive a racecar, (especially if according to you RB is a whiner)
    2) I dare you to find another driver to compare to Schumi that looks a whole lot better
    MB

     
  18. BLACK HORSE

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    #18 BLACK HORSE, Nov 15, 2008
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    I enjoyed watching Rubens Barrichello when he was driving for Ferrari and I didn't want him to leave, the team had great chemistry together which is the reason's they won races. I do believe Rubens and MS made a great team together but I know that's in front of the camera, but no one actually knows the real truth of what happened and how Rubens was treated by Ferrari, it's all speculation or rumors. I never heard Rubens Barrichello say anything bad about Ferrari after he left the team. However, I don't think it's all Barrichello fault or his driving ability that screwed him for not winning races over the last two years with Honda. Since Rubens left Ferrari to go to Honda, IMO this was like "Shooting yourself in the foot"... Honda didn't help him much either by giving him a car that was like a "Brick with wheels" a real piece-of-****. I hope Rubens is able to get with another team for the 2009 season.
     
  19. PSk

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    Yes it would be interesting.

    Fact is we know he had to bend over and take it from MS, any of his Ferrari team mates did ... and while I understand why, and yes obviously most of the time MS was quicker, we will never really know how much quicker if both drivers were given exactly the same support.

    In the end MS took his chances and delivered when he had to, and when RB was given a chance he didn't take it as well (except for Austria ... I would have told the team to get fncked and won the race). RB was very fast, but MS was more consistently faster.
    Pete
     
  20. ryalex

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    #20 ryalex, Nov 15, 2008
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    I like Rubens and sympathize. Due to his time and place, he made a fabulous living in racing but he was always clearly the #2 driver. He was always stuck as being the Robin to Schumacher's Batman, the Pippen to his Jordan, the Dan Quayle to GHW Bush. And that was his lot in life. I understand how it could be so painful inside to know you *never really* had the full shot to win the driver's championship, despite his talent.

    Ultimately, he'll have to accept that he made more money than most kids in racing ever dream of, and that he had a good run in the driver's seat. Hopefully, he managed well and will never want for security or material needs, and he can focus his efforts on managing or mentoring a new generation - and perhaps keeping his toes in racing through other series.
     
  21. Tifoso1

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    IMO, driving for Ferrari was what allowed RB to become an above averge F1 driver as his stat clearly indicated. Had he not been fortunate enough to be a part of the Todt-Brawn-Barns-Schumacher era at Ferrari, he would be known as nothing more than just an average F1 driver. Had he left Ferrari after his first contract ended, he would still not be considered as a #1 driver at any of the top teams (McLaren, Renault or Williams) during that era, as he was no where close to the caliber of the drivers such as Mika, Kimi or Montoya.
     
  22. LightGuy

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    I can see Ruben's grief.
    But he knew what he was getting into at Ferrari. The team was built around MS.
    Still he was on the best team. Why would you leave ? Stick it out. Racers luck and persistence go a long way.
    He would have been teamed with Kimi now and could have been a contender the last two years.
    Pride got in the way.
     
  23. Gilles27

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    I'm not an F1 insider, so I have no special knowledge about the secret life inside Ferrari to which Rubens refers. But my interpretation of the situation was this:

    Rubens signed on with Ferrari and was clearly told the house rules. He was more than happy to accept them, why not?! Lots of money, the most prestigious name in racing, driving along side arguably the greatest talent in history. And on top of it, you're really not expected to be the guy who wins, just come in second and score points. No pressure! Fast forward a season or two, and 'ol Rubie starts feeling the weight of being a second class citizen. "Why, Michael got his championship, why can't I have one? I mean, on some days I'm pretty special too!" Sorry RB, you're a good guy. But take a look at paragraph 2 on the 3rd page of your contract...

    The only thing Rubens could say about Ferrari that would surprise me would be that they promised him a straight shot at Michael at some point but reneged on him. Or that he has evidence that they electronically slowed him down. Now, I don't believe that to be the case for a minute. But I think Rubens believes the public is in the dark about the situation at Ferrari when it was more likely to be just as perceived by millions.
     
  24. tifosi12

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    Well of course Ruben's book will be biased and one sided. Just as MS' was. We all know the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    But I do welcome any book that tries to break through the glitzy facade to dig up some dirt and I'm sure this one will.

    I hope you say the same thing about Massa.
     
  25. sandersja

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    I for one would be interested in RB's "inside scoop".

    All F1 drivers think that they are better than any other - IF they had the car, team, and luck. I give RB full marks for being brave enough to join Ferrari and challenge MS on a nearly equal basis. Despite all the internet-rumor about an explicit #2 status within Ferrari, I think that the playing field is pretty level and whichever driver performs best will be supported accordingly. Just like Massa proved this year. Ruben's book is likely his way of defending/justifying his relative performance against the greatest driver in history.
     

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