My Daughter's Been Kidnapped [Split from Alex Etchinson thread]

I understand that. That said I (and probably many others) would do everything in my power (sell material assets i.e. check the guy's cars) to get one of my two sons back. FYI My wife is also a citizen of another country. If you play the game of international love, this can happen. Actually it could happen to me to, and if it did I am not on a car forum B.S.ing. I am not rolling with Bling Bling cars, I could find a better use for that money. Get my drift? You want to call me a "retard" too for stating the obvious? If this is exactly as he says and she is a psycho, this is an emergency. How does maintaining a fleet of cars that most people would kill for IN THIS ECONOMY NO LESS fit in this emergency situation? It doesn't. You can cut corners in life, but not for your own kids. Maybe that was the original problem? Who knows, and everyone is entitled to interpret this because their is only one side.

 

Um, what part of the fact that a judge sided with him and issued a warrant for the mother's arrest did you miss? What cars he drives has nothing to do with it. How do you know he needs to sell them to finance anything related to getting the child back? And if he needs to sell his car or cars, what makes you think he won't?

Retard.

 

Again, Troy, there is a lot here you do not know and I can not tell you. But I can tell you you are making your self look pretty stupid.

 

Pakistan is not a member of the Haugue Convention. You are in big trouble and there's literally nothing you can do legally. Usually in cases like this you have to come up with a bunch of bribe money and hire people to kidnap her back.

 

He doesn't look stupid at all and you're driving his point home by mentioning what others don't know. You are probably being fed one sided info and taking it hook line and sinker based on how you're spouting now.

Remember, discretion is the better part of valor!

 

My gosh, that is so tragic. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

-Dan

 

I'm sorry to hear about this. I hope that you are able to be reunited with you daughter soon.

 

F.W.I.W., a "major" in the Pakistani Army is generally a stepping-stone towards a career in the military for life until retirement -or- a gateway towards business/entrepreneurial/academic/professional endeavors (obviously outside the military). However, almost ALL "majors" are generally late 20's to early 30's in age.

Assuming vipermann123's ex-wife is in her late 20's or early 30's (being the mother of a 6yr old, etc'), it's likely the former father-in-law is in his late 40's to early 50's in age, though likely more. Generally, that implies the guy's a loser in the military (to be to-the-point & frank).

Individuals of talent, merit, and ability easily progress from "major" to Lt. Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier, etc' in the Pakistani military by the time they are the presumable age of the former father-in-law. This leads me to the generalization that the guy's a career paper-pusher w/o any influence at all whatsoever.

I/myself have many, many contacts (some even moderate-to-high level) in the Pakistani military (as well as the High courts & former political-office holders), both past -&- present (through friends, family, and family-friends). An elder "major" is a joke, if you ask me, in terms of any clout, push/pull, and so forth.

vipermann123 needs to be in touch w/ the U.S. embassy & consulate in Pakistan (Islamabad & Lahore, respectively). The U.S. consulate in Karachi staffs the most 'specialists' though (or at least they used to, prior to 9/11 & NATO operations in Afghanistan).

And vipermann123 needs to do this A.S.A.P. before President Bush retires into the sunset. The U.S. & Pakistan have EXCELLENT dialogue, communication, and reciprocity at the moment (contrary to what the Western main-stream media says). All this will change once President-elect Obama comes into office. I can't emphasize how much time is of the essence, due to the forthcoming change in the White House. Trust me on this. And I mean: trust me!!!

Reference:

http://islamabad.usembassy.gov

http://lahore.usconsulate.gov

http://karachi.usconsulate.gov

http://peshawar.usconsulate.gov

I'm rather surprised vipermann123 doesn't have a single contact in the Pakistani military. The armed-forces in Pakistan are literally woven into the fabric of society. 99.999% of Pakistani individuals, whether there (Pakistan), here (U.S.), or anywhere (Non-Resident Pakistan National living/residing abroad permanently) have a friend, friend-of-a-friend, colleague, classmate, family-member, neighbor, or whomever else who is in the military in some capacity or another (aside from general enlisted individuals).

I truly don't know how I'd react in such a situation if I was so unfortunate to be in one. Though, I know I wouldn't be exhausting my time w/ the local authorities/courts/press. After a Federal contact was established & a case was made, I'd be making a power-move into Lahore w/ the U.S. embassy/consulate & my own "crack-team" w/ intel', cash-money, and every possible source of influence I can solicit (ie. Pakistani military, Punjab Provincial politicians/ political-parties/ governing-officials/ police/ High court advocates/attorneys/ investigators/detectives/ numerous other unmentionable contacts/ etc'). Lahore, in the Punjab province of Pakistan, is a moderate-sized cosmopolitan/cultural city & everyone-knows-everyone, so to speak (of note: there are numerous military establishments, training-facilities, depots, defense housing-schemes/plots, and cantonments nearby due to the relative proximity to the Indian border). . .

... and that's that!

 

It happens more often than you think. I was caught in the crossfire of "parents" and wound up looking after a kid for a while. Not a pleasant time for myself or the kid, but the kid made it through, mostly intact. "Parents" can be amazingly bloody, cold and heartless and especially so when little ones are concerned.

All the OP is asking for is for information and leads and other things that can aid in getting his kid back. Fchat can be a good resource for him. The details will come out in time.

Instead of roasting him, offer avenues that may aid him...contacts, ideas, etc, anything constructive.

 

Been there done that. I actually did run this up the pole. I have extremely high up State Dept officials within my scope of contact who basically told me to save my "Get out of Pakistan Free" card for a very special lifelong friend of close family member.

 

So, you don't want to help him and your "high-up contacts in the State Dept." don't want to help him. How does that make his frantic appeals for help any less valid?

 

I suppose you'd use a "Once in 10 lifetimes" favor on someone from the Internet whom you have never met?

At least I asked.

 

Great info. There has to be a lot more to this. To still be making pleas on car boards etc. doesn't seem to add up? It seems like this should be resolved already. Oh well, hope things work out for the best.

 

Hire those ex-Delta Force guys who go into foreign countries and rescue kidnapped children.

 

It often doesn't get resolved for entire lifetimes.

 

No, if I was in a position to help, I would find out the merits of the case and help. I would never take some public servant's assertion that it is a "one time and one time only" favour. They are your public servants, they are there to help. They are not doing anyone a favor. It's their job. Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand this, and think that just having a title is all that's required of them. If you were a major contributor to the Bush administration, you wouldn't have any such limits on favors. Funny how that works, huh?

I am intimately familiar with how several of these cases have played out. In one, it was 18 years before the mother and daughter were reunited. The daughter was only allowed to travel and meet her mother after she was married, and she was so desperate to see her mother that she asked for an arranged marriage at 19 (it ended badly too--another legacy of the father's selfishness). The mother sacrificed everything, her career, family, personal life, etc., to try and get her daughter back. She spent 15 years taking odd jobs in a foreign country just so she could be there for the court appearances, where she was hoping for a glimpse of her daughter more than a victory in court. She had interpol alerts issued and warrants for the arrest of the kidnapping father. However, he was "connected" and always had advance warning that the police would be coming to pick him up, so he would spirit the daughter away (sometimes over rooftops).

I am glad you and a few others have such faith in the bureaucrats and know the "truth" about this case.

 

Yeah, funny huh. Well he is a public servant after all.... a public servant who will be able to walk into a certain office unannounced and say, Hey Hill, can I get a word in when you get off the phone? I need to talk to you now!" and she most likely will.....

The customer service grunt you are referring to who will answer the phone when you call is not gonna get much done.

 

Come to think of it, why are you even talking about this here when you could be saving these precious seconds marching on Washington? Batman could learn a thing or two about crusading from you!

/chills

 

I am glad you are impressed. Maybe you can offer to shine this guy's boots or something.

 

You're still here? I thought you'd be Eastbound, somewhere over Toledo by now.....

 

You really that impressed by Clarence Thomas? He had a bit of a falling out with "Hill"...

 

Coffee getting to you? If you really wanna make me jealous, go out and get yourself a hot buttered rum.

 

darth550, sadly, I'm w/ you on this 101%. Some/certain high-level connections & "get-out-jail-free" cards are literally once-in-a-lifetime life'lines, so to speak. What others don't realize is a lot is done off-the-record and it is generally blurry & along the gray-lines of policy & procedure, as well as diplomacy.

Admittedly, I, too have a trump/ace-card or two (abroad, more-so than State Dept' like darth), and nothing short of familial-blood and/or inter-personal relationship(s) will ever justify those cards to be availed; ideally, hopefully never will they be needed/used... IMHO!