Standard Engines set for go-ahead

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Can someone translate the translation please.
Seriously, interesting times ahead.

 

He he... Andreas or Florian will .. sie sprechen Deutsch

 

What happens if/when Ford goes under?

 

Nothing.

Cosworth is *nothing* to do with Ford.

 

As I read it, that's not going to happen. The proposal would allow Ferrari to manufacture an engine, as long as it didn't generate any more power than the Cossie. Not sure I love the idea of restricting power, but I understand the reasoning. My point of view would be then to allow different engine configs (e.g., don't restrict it to V8s), so that if there were a like-powered Ferrari V12, it would still have unique characteristics.

I don't agree with your McLaren comment - McLaren is first and foremost a constructor, and historically used engine suppliers (Cosworth, TAG / Porsche, Honda, etc.). What's the difference if they do that now? The awesome thing about F1 was that there was separation - it was rarely a single constructor / engine manufacturer, and the right combination was the key to winning. Ferrari was almost always unique in that regard, since they were one of the only teams that made both chassis and engine. Fundamentally, that's not changed much, so I am perfectly fine with a McLaren / Cosworth or Williams / Cosworth.

100% correct - read my earlier post. Kevin Kalkhoven and Gerry Forsythe acquired Cosworth from Ford a few years ago.

 

I was under the impression that Cosworth still used a lot of Ford sourced parts for their engines?

 

Just when I thought F1 couldn't get more boring.....

Jack

 

The teams are today presenting their propositions to Mosley who is in a new situation - until now, he could count on dividing the teams, now only two disagree with the propositions. While Mosley wants standard engines etc, the teams favour technical development, albeit in a tight frame.

What the teams want:
- Reducing rpm from 19k to 18k
- No testing during the season
- One wind tunnel per team, only one shift per week
- Computer capacity: 20 Teraflops max
- max 250 employees per team
- KERS in 2010, not in 2009 (only BMW disagrees)
- Customer cars (only Williams disagrees)
- V6 Turbos from 2013

Mosley is especially against the engine proposition, as he's now obviously in love with Cosworth, who have a 4 cylinder turbo ready.

 

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/12122008/13/sweeping-regulation-changes-agreed.html

 

Wow!! For once they agreed on sensible solutions!
Kevin

 

McL and Ferrari will become fast friends if forced to use Cosworth.

 

And the lion will lay down with the lamb. But the lamb won't get much sleep. W. Allen

 

Wow!! But no news about the engine displacement/cylinder count/turbo vs. naturally aspirated...

Rumours in the German press have been for a while that Mercedes is looking for ways to get out of McLaren and into Aston Martin, with Ulrich Bez being a close friend of the Mercedes management. If they're forced to supply an F1 engine that is less competitive than the Cosworth, it might the impulse to move on with that plan...

 

They're not going to be forced to use Cosworth! [They *could*, but they certainly don't have to.]

"Banning tyre warmers" - Again - I thought they said that would be dangerous.... And how much is that going to save in the scheme of things?

60% scale wind tunnel testing - So, they have these *huge* (full size) tunnels into which they can only insert 60% models..... That'll save tons

Possible reduction in race distance or duration - Damnit!

Standardised radio and telemetry systems - I wonder if we'll be able to listen in? [That would be cool IMHO.]

Factory closures for six weeks per year, to accord with local laws - Interesting, I'm no longer in the UK, but AFAIK there are no "local laws" about closing factories there.

But hey, at least they agreed on *something* rather than let Mad Max do his own thing.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Interesting, but unbelievable IMHO - Don't they own almost 50% (of McLaren) now? Why would they want to? Bring Aston into F1 as their own team? I think they're having too much success with things as they are. [Unless Norbert wants to do a Ross Brawn and get out from under Ron.... Hmmmm.]

I don't think it would be less competitive, it just can't blow the Cossie's doors off (blow it's valves out? ) Even so, I don't see why badging their engine "Aston" rather than "Mercedes" is any different.

My 02c,
Cheers,
Ian

 

Yeah, I agree - The WDC decided on the last corner of the last lap of the last race was *really* boring

[And, please don't start on the "manipulation" conspiracy theories again. Thankyou!]

 

You're completely right, but the way I understand it, their plan would be "Leave F1 and make money with Aston street cars" instead of "Stay in F1 with MCL, have an engine that can't be *the* best, and continue to sink loads of money in it".

 

I guess that's rather meant in a sense of "If the laws of the country force you to close for 7 weeks, you can't sue the FIA"

 

True - but, aside from the points math, the actual race itself was not that much to write home about.

However, given the current state of affairs - regulated number of cylinders, computers, revs, and so on - could a crate engine really be all that much different?

You can't see the engine anymore, and a 2.4 V8 running 18K rpms sounds pretty much like one running 19K last year...and all of them sound pretty much the same.

The days of the distinctive sound of that flat 12 for Lauda are long gone.

 

Fair comment. But, "you just can't please all the people all the time" - Its boring becasue there's no overtaking and/or, its boring because MS had won it by the middle of the season......

+1 That and the Matra - Cold morning, Brands, Paddock Bend - 1st practice - Still brings goose bumps..... Even the much maligned (but supremely successful) DFV sounded *awesome* on the over run!.... "Those were the days!"

And even back then "everyone" had the same complaints about F1.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

FIA gave Ferrari all it really cares about......... It's own engines! They could care less what the other teams choose to use so long as a Ferrari car has a Ferrari engine. A "spec" engine from a outside mfg. would never be acceptable to Ferrari(as it should be), and Bernie and Max know that NO Ferrari, means No F1.

 

You have actually reached the true issue here. I would only add that as long as the FIA does not make Ferrari supply others with Ferrari engines to the exact spec as the red cars.

 

The Pacleds of the world will continue to follow NASCAR and Formula One, no matter how degrading and unintelligent it becomes, but I will follow something else or nothing at all. This is like staying in a gambling house playing dice when you know they are weighted.

This is NOT racing. Its a freaking sideshow filled with smoke and mirrors, and rules made up as the game unfolds to choreograph the outcome. MAX's Nazi hooker extravaganza pales in comparison to the show itself. And if Ferrari stays in this much longer they will look more like fools than anyone else will. Stick to your guns Ferrari, no spec engines for you, and dont allow them for anyone else either. You have them by the balls, make them play the game straight.

 

Paul- The real quote is "Why are you playing on this roulette wheel? Do you not know it is crooked?" The answer is "Yes, but it is the only wheel in town." Formula One is the only wheel in town, unfortunately, especially for most Europeans. The European TV coverage is where Bernie and Max make most of their money. Never mind which group of foon-bags gave them control over the entire show. We have George here, and he would be as bad if he could.

Taz
Terry Phillips