Kanye West self-destructs on SNL

MJ has not been forgotten. In fact, his new CD should be coming out shortly

 

MJ is an 80s novelty. He does not stand the test of time. And Im a fan..I own everything he has released. Ive even worked with him and found him to be a nice guy. I also dont believe he molested the kids...so you can say i am an MJ 'fan'.

But Im also able to see the forest AND the trees...and anything new he puts out will come and go with a whisper.

You have to step back from your own personal viewpoint...step back and look at decades and not years.

Even artists as popular as Springsteen and U2 will be swept under the rug in a few decades. Sure they will have their niche but they will not have ingrained themselves into the public consciousness like Elvis and the Beatles.

 

It wouldnt be such an issue if he wasnt so freakin cocky about himself. If he was humble people would cut him some slack...but when you talk about yourself like you are a God get ready for everyone to put you under a microscope.

I dont like his music nor him but that doesnt influence why I say he will be forgotten. i say it because 99.9% of all artists are forgotten once the next generation arrives.

 

Kanye is pretty much worthless and talentless. Anyone that thinks he will go down in history as some icon must be about 17. All rappers are generally gone and forgotten after about 5 years no matter how hot or controversial they are in their prime. Just ask Eminem. People who sing along to pre-recorded background music don't tend to have any staying power. The only rappers that will be remembered are the ones who paved the way in the 80's. So what if he sold a bunch of CD's? A bunch of people might find him entertaining, but he did not do anything other than stand on a stage and rap to pre-recorded tracks. Nothing revolutionary there. He did not break any new ground or do anything for anyone. What's to remember? Britany Spears will still be remembered when Kanye West is long gone. And that's not saying much. Kanye's star power is fading. And Britany is still all over my TV.

 

Yeah I know I don't like that about him either, just wanted to clear up some of the other chatter in this thread.

Have you ever been in a recording studio when a real rap album is being made? Have you ever seem some of these guys make music with their bare hands? I'm betting you haven't. Some of the musical work behind the music (beats) of rap is stunning whether you like it or not. A lot of the guys who work behind the scenes are incredible talents. Also some of the rappers themselves are incredible. Jay-Z is a freestyle rapper, which means he makes up everything on the spot for all his songs. He doesn't spend months writing lyrics down in his bedroom. That is talent. Biggy and Pac write stories. If you ever listen to their songs, I mean listen not just hear, it is some incredible art. They are telling a story. NAS is like that too. I have a lot of respect for NAS. I know a lot of people hate rap, that's fine, but you can't deny the art if you really listen. The music part of rap is incredible sometimes. Personally I enjoy some of the "beats" quite a lot.

Don't wanna name drop but to make my point,but yes I've worked with some of these guys, including one from the list above. I've seen these records being made from scratch, in major recording studios. It's amazing.

 

That Roth clip was great. Love that guy.

 

dear god couldn't they have given him some type of vocoder to at least hide the fact he sings worse than my dad? I was embarassed for him watching that.

 

Let's say you meet new people and thoroughly express in detail your passion for the toys your company makes. No problem right? It's identical to him and his music. But with any degree of a close-minded POV in life, my response would sound very similar to yours about kanye. He's also on that world stage doing what he loves, and well, you're not. But there's nothing right or wrong about either situation. I think everyone should be their own 'god'. You should think you're the absolute best. It goes something like, "you can't play with chickens the night before and expect to fly with the eagles come morning time." - Kanye just lets nothing distract him.

That can fly with gratitude. He is humble 100% if you know him. I've had the opportunity to spend time within his circle of influence, as a photographer. And I learned many lessons through experience in that short bit of time about becoming a good person; always evolving to a greater version of yourself. It's about good energy, and placing others around you with only positive attitudes. By all definition of the word, he is successful. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Wealth isn't measured by the checkbook, it comes from your heart and your thoughts. Mind is a powerful thing of course. He's doing exactly what he wants everyday in the best way possible, unlike 95% of the world. End of story.

 

Ted Nugent invented Rap. End of Story.

 

You have the luxury of knowing the man and can make a judgement that way.

The rest of us have to judge him by the persona he sets forth in public. You make your bed you get to lay in it.

While on a ridiculously smaller level than Kanye, I am in the public eye . I do make public appearances. I do signings. A week doesnt go by where I dont do an interview. I am a 'celebrity' in my niche circle...so I at least have an inkling of what you speak. I understand projecting an image. I am also friends with many very famous people. So I see it everyday.

Fact is there is a difference between confidence and obnoxious. Ill give you an example. Will Smith. The man comes across with unlimited amounts of confidence yet no arrogance. He is a class act and he believes in himself just as much as Kanye believes in himself...yet Will Smith doesnt need to act like a pompous tool.

Im not judging Kanye the man...I dont know him. But I have every right to judge Kayne the celebrity. And Kanye the celebrity is a tool.

End of story.

 

WOW That was a great video. I really liked it.

 

IMO someone who is as happy and content and "living the life" that you say Kanye is, would never say things that display the amount of insecurity, anger, and self loathing that this man has.

IMO, he's the furthest thing from happy and content, but I am sure he puts on a VERY good show that he is. Just my opinion.

 

I have to stick up for my friend Remix here... you are calling him a phony who is "trying to come across as authorotative" and that he clearly has no clue what he's talking about.

And you *are* authorotative on music? What are your credentials?

Remix is well known in the music scene. He has actually sold albums and made a good living off royalties. He has been *in* the biz as a performer for years, not just someone who consumes the content.

So yeah, he's pretty authorotative on the subject.

What are your credentials????

I think Kanye sucks too. I don't think he will be remembered in 10 years. He isn't some pioneer who has changed the music scene... he's just a performer who has some catchy songs. You can say the same about Sinatra, Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, etc as well. But those groups/people were INFINITELY more popular than Kanye has ever been. They had careers that spanned decades. They were icons in popular culture. Kanye will never come close.

I remember another person who people were saying was a revolutionary and was ahead of his time and would go down as one of the all-time greats.. guy by the name of Scott Storch. Where is he today? On the lam from the law for bailing on child support, with his cars reposessed and his assets in foreclosure or out for repo. Another flash in the pan that fanbois called "a revolutionary".

 

Sheesh took you long enough to get over here buddy !

 

Well put. Will Smith is a great and classic example.

Celebrity is real different at the end of the day. Really it's something I can't put my mind around, but it goes on day in / day out. I think what it comes down to, is how does one really keep it balanced?

 

Tiny Tim, now that was a revolutionary kind of guy. I saw him perform at Carnegie, and what a show it was.

 

R.I.P Tiny Tim

I don't think Kanye will be remembered in the way Elvis or Chris Gaines will be remembered but he's no flash in the pan.

 

Who the hell is Chris Gaines ?

 

I never said he wasn't a creative guy. He just doesn't have the chops to pull off that song acapella. The vocal in "Love Lockdown" is heavily manipulated digitally, that is why it sounds so unnatural. I actually like the song, it's well written and produced, and the effect works in this instance. He is an ass, but that's my opinion and secondary to what I think of his work. I myself can sing like this with the use of Autotune. You can, too. FWIW I cannot sing worth a ****.

"Heartless" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvBCYc-QwE - is also processed with Autotune. There is no mistaking it. I've been producing with it since Version 1.0 in 1999.

This is otherwise known as the "Cher" effect, a term coined from the first real use of Autotune in her song "Believe", circa 1998. It was groundbreaking at the time. I have used it throughout the years to correct a flat performance...I've gotten some acapellas for remix work that were 90% on key and 10% flat or slightly out of key. Used properly, you'll never notice it. If you crank up the settings and attack, it will sound like a mechanical voice (i.e., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yc3O7Ku_Bo ).

RMX

 

The fx in that song Believe took more than auto-tune to accomplish. Auto-tune was a part of it though

 

It simply was AT, I remember a lot of speculation back then about it, but it was AT.

Here's the wiki:

Here's some amateurs using only Autotune to sing Kayne's "Love Lockdown". Just so everyone here can see how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk7Z_uU0qQw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSHh9dFzbg

Here's a tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNSBK8QVVcA

These guys are now just now discovering what we were doing TEN YEARS AGO.

RMX

 

Cher Effect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher_effect

RMX

 

I was told by someone who was there when they did it that it wasn't just auto-tune. Her vocal effect is a lot more elaborate than that "t-pain" stuff. Auto-tune does produce a similar effect as her vocals do contain some of the artifacts of auto-tune, but the entire effect used on her voice requires more. I just don't know what all they used.

Anyway, this is what I was told. I wasn't there and didn't see it happen in person so who knows. I've tried to replicate the sound just using auto-tune and couldn't get it to sound exactly the same.

 

Agreed!