How important/ damaging is pride?

We all have to swallow our pride to achieve something we want sometimes, please tell me you have before.

 

We had people that did that. The important thing is it is never above you to keep an eye on the small stuff. If it is, good luck in life. (But that you dont seem to understand that is telling.) Another benefit beyond compare is for the people who's job it is to manage that see or hear you did it and thus know cleaning is not beyond you. It makes them work harder and generally better and respect the boss even more.

As we say in the USMC, we lead from the front and no job is ever too small. You are not born a leader of men, you grow in to one.

 

with all due respect, the boss cleaning the bathroom once in a while is "quaint". it's something that a boss may even want people to see him doing for the reasons you said above. the boss however also has the option to choose not to do it and get that guy who should be doing it in there scrubbing toilets pronto.

and afterwards the boss has the ability to re-establish his standing in the pecking order, by opting to go to the watering hole at the club (assuming there's a bar), ordering up a 13 year old whiskey, and talking about the old days of having to do that from dawn til dusk... or simply to taking the rest of the day off to play golf.

it's a whole different thing for the boss to be assigned bathroom duty every day, even if only for 4-5 weeks, with no choice in the matter.

note: I am in no way questioning or downplaying *your* motivations, as I don't know you and don't know the lifetime that made you into the man you are today, so please take my response to be in broad generalities. (which is why I opted to reference "the boss" rather than "you" J.R.)

well you hit one of the above criteria. it's refreshing to see someone be straight-up honest and not sell themselves as something they are not, no matter if it may not be the most palatable truth that others care to know.

even I am now questioning why I chose to mention that I've "been there, done that" (re: shrimping), whether my motivations are to establish my bona fides as someone not born with a silver spoon in his mouth, a "good guy we can all relate to", and so forth. which is why I appreciate Neil's straight up "I may not fit your criteria, but I fit mine" reply. introspection is a good thing. I like this thread.

 

+1, I appreciate how Neil's handled all the questions.

 

I've figured it out - Starbucks Barista.

 

No problems at all bro.

To clarify, I was the boss. VP of operations for a big box night club operation in 30 states. Our avg club size was 100,000sq ft.

My point is solid, you want the people whose job it is to do something to know that you will jump in and do it if you see it is not getting done. I do not mean to say for a sec that it is your job as VP to be assigned bathroom duty. But to say, "I am VP, I will not clean a bathroom" will doom you to fail. What else is beneath you? Checking in on the accountant?

You want the people below you to know you will call them to task if they do not do their job. "Hey GM whoever, how come the vp is picking up the floor in the toilet?" is amazingly effective.

You can not be successful in a business if there is any part of it you can not, or will not do.

 

How is this any different from doing your job as a waiter/waitress, secretary, salesperson, association executive, customer service rep., complaint depart. personnel manager, etc.?

These people get paid for taking abuse at their own expense, and know their pride isn't really affected, but in actuality they were merely stroking other egos in a very manipulative way.

 

Reading your profile you see, like being rich is one of your goals. At least rich enough to play with the Ferrari Driving crew. This is not the way to go about it. I mean to say, you sound like my 16 year old neighbor who is on a "Guitar Hero" drop out road.

If you are not in control of everything in your company then you are in control of nothing. Or you work for someone else. No offense but you say you want to be in control of as much as you can... but you sound like you are in control of nothing. Your very young aren't you?

 

I'd do it. What's four or five weeks out of your life? Who cares.

 

Depends on how much you make I guess and what you consider embarassing. Like would I go to work for the next month dressed like a total dork if I knew I'd continually make 25% more adjusted for inflation for the rest of my life? Yes.

 

Zophie, just curious, what kind of work outfit would you dread wearing for a month?

I can think of plenty for myself, but all the ones I can think of that I would dread would probably work well for you.

 

I think the quote goes something like "once you can fake sincerity, you have got it made"

 

It's come to the point that this thread has no merit. The OP's refusal to to divulge the actual proposal given to him, negates any validity that should be given to his original question.

No one can really give sound advice without knowing all facts; me thinks we've all been had! Thanks for wasting my time!!!!

 

You know, Spark, I just got off the ol'pm with another member about this. I agree. 250 GTO is either full of crap or 15 years old. However, judging by his apparent dim view of honest hard work and high value of what ever "pride" he may have, he could be both. He is likely the "Husker" of the OT.

 

Perhaps one of these?
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Bend over.

 

LOL. That yellow outfit certainly is an appealing one!

No, I was thinking of various embarrassing outfits more like the one below. It probably would look good on Zophie, but if you saw me wearing the same outfit, might make you die laughing.
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Well, it could be pretty embarassing to dance in a nude club, but I'd do it if I knew for a fact it would only increase my earnings forever, never harm my career. I'd wear a Burger King uniform and flip patties if they paid me well enough. Really, I can't imagine anything being that embarassing. I should post some pictures of me from years ago and what I wore. That is embarssing looking back at, but never killed me.

I still am curious over what exactly this proposal is. I'm stumped.

and yeah, for a 25% pay increase, I would gladly wear the latex nursie outfit and give enemas all day. Could be fun, especially if I can do it to some of the clients/lawyers I work with.

 

Just say no to being the stand-in for the gay porno movie "action" scenes.

 

Can't and won't are two very different things.

In my experience, the best way to get people to bust their asses for you is to show you aren't above doing anything and that you will never ask them to do something you are not willing to do yourself, whether it be scrubbing toilets, working late, etc. If you want employees who just want to slide by doing the bare minimum and not be willing to go above and beyond (you won't, so why should they?), then by all means continue down this road. JMO and all that, but I've gotta agree with the good Dr. on this one.

Yes, you wanted input without including details because your pride would not allow you to even type what you were asked to do. I'm guessing this is why you were asked to do it. Because the person doing the asking knows you are an extremely prideful person. He knows you consider this job to be beneath you and he wanted to make you squirm. My guess is he doesn't like you very much.