Your main problem is lack of records, and the REAL problem is most of the "hidden hoses" probably ARE the original ones! We recently cracked open all the access plates on one of mine and the original clamps and the original hoses were in there "hanging on".......well, that's not how you want to treat the car IMO. Go for it. I just had a car 30K Service'd along with engine "reseal" and it was $7K.... On my second car, it'll require total brake system overhaul and a clutch, the estimate is $12.5..... If you are getting these items done at a Ferrari Dealer in that price range I think it's fair and will add that value to the car to overcome your current "missing records" position. Santa is supposed to retunr my third car for Christmas, we'll see. I HAVE been a pretty good boy this year......
The alimunum main coolant lines do, Joe. He is referencing the smaller heater coil hoses down the driver's side rocker...you gotta want to do this BAD as it is a major PITA......if they leak you have no choice, otherwise....well. You know....
I gave the dealer the go ahead to do the job. He said he is going to give me a really good deal on the labor and will have my mechanic change all hoses and and he will throw in the brake line replacement as well. I bought the stainless brake lines from Goodrich for 115.00 for 4 and dealer wanted 160.00 each so I saved a few busks there. He said car should be done in 10 days or so. I think I did the right thing but will take my car to Pocono and Jim next time I need something major. If Jim wasn't 2 1/2 hours away I would have moved the car to him now to get this stuff done. When I get it back and look over my bill I will let you all know how I made out. Thanks again for all the responses Viva Ferrari !!!!!!!
Glenn, Sounds like you are doing the right thing. But you really need to be sure that the issue of the hoses is properly addressed. That is, are they replacing ALL the hoses? As others have said, there are some pretty obvious hoses that are readily seen. But there are also a bunch of them that are hard to see and hard to get to. Those tend to be ignored, and over time can be the ones that end up giving way. So be sure when that while they have the coolant out, they change the hoses in the front, radiator top and bottom, connector hoses up front, and others as well. Fuel lines are even more important, especially those under pressure, the filler neck hose, and the hoses on the cross-over pipe between the gas tanks, down low in front of the engine. All the breather lines should be changed as well. You might want to get "ball park" estimates from them for the various parts of the job. If you've given them the "go ahead", that's pretty much a blank check. So if you haven't asked for an estimate, don't be surprised when the bill turns out to be a lot bigger than anticipated, even with the "freebies" and "discounts". On the other hand, you are doing the right thing having the work done right. The old saying, which someone else quoted, holds true -- Do it once, do it right. Algar certainly knows what they are doing, and have top notch mechanics. But like any dealer, work won't be cheap. It should, however, be done right, and they stand behind what they do. Keep us up on how things are going.
I was thinking the same thing: If your 'local' is a decent mechanic but not a Ferrari mechanic, I know the BEST place in the world for him to get answers to his questions: HERE
Well, I went to th Ferrari Shop to get some picks and I was a day orso late as they had my car back together but it still needed to get the engine cleaned and do final adjustments. They found my oxygenm senor ws not connected and he had to replace one injector. Here are some pics I took and I asked what my parts bill was so far and he told me 1100.00 I was estatic. Thats before the discount. He said with the holidays lets go for after the 1st of the year and I was fine with that. I keep wating for the phone call that my bill has doubled but they couldn'y be nicer and amswer all my questions with a smile. The mechanic spent over an hour going from front to back under my car with me explaining everything. I am very happy so far. Let me know what you think of the pics Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wow, I see a lot of OLD fuel hose. That bottom one looks original. But they obviously arent replacing ALL hoses. There are more than a few things on these cars that can be overlooked that wont blow the car up if they fail. Fuel isnt one of them. I would dig down in your wallet and kindly insist they replace ALL fuel lines, including the fuel filler neck hose. Are they putting in a new water pump or rebuilding the old one? Old water pumps generally give up soon after they get a nice new TIGHT belt.
And when your car is finished, come meet us all for cars and coffee at the Starbucks in West Chester, right off 202 at Dilworthtown Road. Every Saturday at 8:00 AM. Check the Mid Atlantic regional forum for details. First coffee is on me! Oh, and I agree with Artvonne, get those hoses looked at and fuel lines replaced as necessary. He's in there, it's a couple hours, and the peace of mind will be worth it. DM
Thanks DM. I am sure I will take the ride to West Chester sometime soon as its only a 30 min ride for me and since you offered a free cup of coffee how can I not attend. I agree the fuel hoses all need to be replaced ,however my mechanic ( he's mine now !) said they really weren't that bad and I already spent more then I care to admint to my wife, I decided to let my local guy do that to save some money. I already have the hoses and they matchup perfectly. Now onto my car. The final Bill was $6400.00 (ouch ) Dealer said he had over 60 hours into the car and could not bill me for all of it. He also did a detail at no cost ( I am sure its built in somewhere ) Car looks like it just came out of the Showroom The breakdown is Labor $ 5934.00 Parts & Misc 1556.00 = $ 7490.00 less Labor Discount $890.00 Less Parts Discount $ 175.12 Total $ 6425.00 I was honestly thinking $8000.00 so I was not upset at all. Here is what was done 1. Door Latch Repair ( Driverside door would not lock ) $ 500.00 2. Vehicle Check over $ 258.00 3, Major Timing Bet Service $ 5160.00 4.Replaced all Coolant Hoses 5. Brake Lines Replaced with Goodrich Stainlesss Steel Hose Lines ( I supplied the hoses add $ 115.00 ) 6.Converted AC to R134A and replaced AC adapter fitting ( We didn't discuss this he just did it ) I was ok with it 7.Cleaned and had to replace One (1) Fuel injector ( Injector cost was $125.00 ) 8. Changed Engine Oil & Filter, Flushed Brakes Fluid and Flushed Gear Oil, Replaced Fuel Filter Mechanic said DO NOT use Synthetic Oil, Use a High Quality Manufacturer with 10W/40 Oil only He started repairing Ferrari's the same year my car was made 1985, he was Awsome !! 02
I cannot say enough good things about Algar, there Service Manager Mark and also Patrick were great The Mechanic George did an incredible job of answering all my stupid questions and explaining things to me , ( I was very skepitcal ) She runs better then she ever has. She shifts as smooth as silk after George did his magic and re-adusted the linkage George basically put the car back into MFG specs in all area's that he could. and it shows !!! I could not be happier. George told me to drive the car every 2 weeks even if its just around the block. it will keep everything lubricated and I will follow his direction I guess the bottom line is you get what you pay for and I am happy but just a little lighter in the pocket I will be back to Algar for future service when needed and George will be my guy !! I just need some good clear weather and away I'll go ( Here in Pa. ) Thanks to all who responded Viva Ferrari
Great news, sounds like a fair price for quality work, who can argue with that? Per a previous post, I would definitely ask them if they inspected the fuel filler neck hose. It is a critical item on an older Ferrari. If they did not, have it at the top of your list for the next service. I had it replaced on my 78 308 at about 21 years of age, and it was all cracked, not leaking yet, thankfully. Others have had them leak and guess where the fuel goes? On the exhaust manifold! Some have had a "car-BQ" and much damage.
Thanks Hugh, I already have all the hoses and clamps to do all the Fuel Lines and I will have my local guy will do the work in the early Spring as I need to rejuvinate the Bankroll first. Thanks for the concern Glenn
