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  1. MikeMac

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    Let's take Dr's example of walking into a busy club/store/whatever and seeing the bathroom needs attention. The club is rocking and everyone is busy. Are your employees going to respect you more if you clean it up and then mention that they need a better system for making sure it is clean, or if you go find the nearest employee who is busy with customers and pull them away so they can go deal with the bathroom? Employees who don't like the boss don't generally do much more than the bare minimum to avoid being fired.

    But hey, it's your life and like you say, you are in charge. You go on with your bad self.

    To each his own. That's not how I treat people I like and that is not how I expect to be treated by people who say they like me. I still think he doesn't like you or he thinks you are a bit too big for your britches and wants to knock you down a peg or two. Judging by your answers in here, I wouldn't disagree with that assessment.
     
  2. 62 250 GTO

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    In that scenario, not every employee is going to be dealing with the public, you'll have people going into storage rooms/ basement for boxes of alcohol, people cleaning up spills etc. So to say "there won't be anyone available for a half hour, do you leave the room destroyed?" isn't exactly a fair question. If the place is that understaffed, then you'll have upset customers no matter which room their in. To answer that question, no I wouldn't clean a destroyed bathroom in a bar or nightclub even if I owned or co-owned it. I suppose if I was the manager, I would occasionally be placed in that situation but that's just one more reason why I don't own, run or party in bars.
     
  3. MikeMac

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    You have an answer for everything, don't you?

    Tell me what kind of business you own and I'll give you an example closer to home since the nightclub/bathroom angle is going clear over your head.
     
  4. 62 250 GTO

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    There's no need to get upset and yes why wouldn't I have an answer? Most of these questions aren't difficult to answer. I fully understand the nightclub angle, "What Manager or owner would let patrons walk into a bathroom where a few drunk people left their mark in the stalls and sinks?" My answer is "a poor Manager", lucky for me I don't manage a building where people tend to throw up every five minutes. I also wouldn't crawl under on of my trucks to replace a ball joint or climb a ladder and dust the overhead lamps, not because it would turn my stomach in these cases, there just isn't a need for me to do it.
     
  5. MikeMac

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    So you're not going to tell me what kind of company you own? Why not?
     
  6. 62 250 GTO

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    Because you're acting like dr strangelove and I don't want to reveal more information to you. You clearly aren't interested in a pleasant conversation or helpful advice so why bother responding to your behavior? The "other" guy buggered off after he shot his mouth off for a couple of days and I'll assume you'll do the same. If you want to keep bickering or start twisting words like he did, by all means fill your boots. I'm logging off.
     
  7. MikeMac

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    You are one insecure guy, aren't you? Do you even own a business?
     
  8. Stephanie

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    I'm going to have to agree with those that are advising you not to compromise your pride. While I would (and have) for love, I wouldn't for money.

    To each his own. Best of luck with whichever path you choose. :)
     
  9. cessnav8or

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    After being in the horse business and seeing a Veterinarian with his arm shoulder deep in a mare's ass. I have come to the conclusion that if a person with such an advanced degree is dealing with that. The only job I can think of that would hurt my pride is that of a pan handler. If the need to take on another blue collar job to make ends meet I would do it.

    One of the best things my father done for me was making me work in the repair shop of his trucking company when I was a teenager. He taught me first hand there is a hell of a lot more to running a business then sitting in a plush oversized executive chair behind a big cherry desk. I worked my way up getting grease under my fingernails and up to my elbows. Then I would come home and go pick up a couple hundred bails of hay out of the field.

    My father had a fairly large trucking company over 150 trucks and 450 trailers not to mention over a million square feet of warehouse space devided in 2 states. If he had a load sitting on the yard that was hot and didn't have a driver to cover it he was climbing in a truck and delivering it himself. If there was a truck with a problem that needed to be repaired and it was quitting time for the mechanics he and I would get back there and stay till midnight to get it back on the road. If your employees see you are willing to get dirty too they respect you more. There were very few drivers or mechanics that wouldn't bend over backwards to help him if he was in a pinch and he would do the same for everyone of them too.

    I own warehouses myself and have had more hours seat time in a forklift loading and unloading trucks than I can remember. This is when I am the OWNER.
    I own thoroughbreds too have one racing tomorrow near Cincinnati, OH. Before I get cleaned up and head to the track. I will be ankle deep in mud and manure mending a fence on the farm and feeding the other horses. Later this year when the mares start going into heat I will be muck out stalls and helping the vet ram his arm up their butt again to check to see if they are ovulating and ready to breed.

    Point is there is no job that is beneath a person to do nor is another person beneath someone else. Never ever think you are above a job if you are running a company. If it requires an employee to do a particular job in any company the owner, manager and supervisor better know how and be willing to do that job in a pinch.

    Again the only job that should compromise the pride of an able body individual is pan handling. If a person is capable of working there is work.
     
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    :confused: If that was solely directed at me, you over-analyze entirely too much.
     
  11. cessnav8or

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    No sorry about that. I hit the quote button by mistake I meant to just reply in general to the thread. There I fixed it ;)
     
  12. Ferraribot

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    Ha, I'm just the opposite. I'd do a lot for money (for the right amount) but love, yeah, whatever.... :D
     
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    Aw sheesh, this thread has really become a bummer and is going nowhere. The OP refuses to elaborate so I think this thread should be flushed.
     
  14. 62 250 GTO

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    And what are you? Insult me and name call all you want, that'll work! No I don't own a business, I now own several. The last business I started I pretty much stole out from under from someone who you remind me of. His crappy business practices and the way he treated people really gave him a beating when it came time for his customers to choose whether or not to stay with him, I took nearly everyone, even charities wouldn't stay with him. So I may not want to do some tasks in this world, why are you so bent out of shape over it?
     
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    Yeah, two people really took the reins and rode this thread into the gutter.
     
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    Strong thread/posts as always.
     
  17. 62 250 GTO

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    Thanks for the view Stephanie.


    Again I agree that employees can get a boost by seeing the boss get dirty to help the team, I have no issue with that at all. I do however think that the world won't end if some people keep "their hands clean". As far as growing up, watching family members get filthy doing jobs around the house and garage, I saw my father fixing cars and after a few late nights in the garage with him I decided to have someone do this work for me, so I wouldn't have to. I also didn't like my chores as a child and now I don't do those myself either. If other people are willing to do the tasks I won't do, then I don't think I should be crapped on nearly this much {two previous posters in this thread}. I don't pan handle, steal or look for loose change on the sidewalk I also wouldn't much out stalls in a barn. Perhaps if I was born 25 years earlier I would have a different mindset but 1981 was my starting point.
     
  18. cessnav8or

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    I have known a few with a simular philosophy. Best they acheived is mediocre success at best. Good luck to you.

    I will stick with busting my ass. It has worked for me so far. I am pretty much retired at 39. I rather be outside sweating on a farm then go back to sitting behind a desk but if need be I have the ability to get the job done at any level and not afraid what somebody else thinks when I do it.
     
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    #94 62 250 GTO, Dec 31, 2008
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    I guess for them, was mediocre success enough? I know I won't have 20 million in the bank ever, I don't intend to work long enough for that to be even remotely possible but for some of you to say I don't work hard or bust my ass just because I refuse to do a few tasks is absurd. I'm sure there are thousands of people doing nasty tasks working their tails off and living pay cheque to pay cheque. Having the mindset to do any job in the world is different from being a hard worker. You can have both but the two aren't connected, do you think a sports writer for the local news paper would agree to cleaning the bathroom near his office because the janitors went on strike? Not without a fight I imagine.
     
  20. 62 250 GTO

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    I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. It's late!
     
  21. cessnav8or

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    don't know depends on how long it goes without being cleaned and how much tolorence for dirty restrooms they have. I bet they would at least start cleaning their own work area and would be emptying their own waste baskets within a day or two.
     
  22. MikeMac

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    Well said, Aaron.
     
  23. Ferraribot

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    I'd shovel horse crap if I could bill enough for it. I guess it all depends on your perspective. There really isn't much that embarasses me. Maybe that's because I puked in kindergarten right in front of the class in story hour and learned really early on in life that you don't die from embarassment and it's not worth losing sleep over.
     

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