Kanye West self-destructs on SNL

and Kanye West is different how?

 

Name one of Kanye West's impacts on Pop Culture.

Do people dress like him? dance like him? talk like him? has he pioneered any sort of trend that penetrates beyond his fans? Has he come up with a sound that has never been heard before?

Answers to all the above is no.

he's a manufactured act. He's at 14 minutes 58 seconds and the clock is ticking.

 

yep a fun group. Made their mark doing an MJ cover. Novelty song. I liked how they did it. Fun stuff.

 

Smooth Criminal. One of the best covers in history of any song

 

Haha.

First off, he's not trying to change pop culture. He's a hip hop artist.

Dress like him? Well, he's not wearing a uniform on stage, but he's creating his own style that people try to copy.

Well, Kanye really doesn't dance.

Talk like him, well couldn't say because Kanye speaks to an audience. The only thing he says is something that only he can get across.

He speaks his mind. You might disagree with him or not, but guess what...in those 14 min and 58 he'll make more than the avg person in a year.

 

its not about how much money he's made... good on him. The point is he will have no lasting effect on pop culture... as he has no real current effect on pop culture.

yer missing the point of the OP this was in response to.. that he has some sort of huge impact on pop culture.

 

Peter

I think your choice of using the words 'current pop culture' speaks for my argument. Im talking about 30+ years from now.

In 30 years will we be seeing a movie that pays tribute to the music of MJ like 'Across The Universe' does for the Beatles or Mama Mia does for ABBA ? I sincerely doubt it.

Will Neverland Ranch be a huge tourist attraction like Graceland ? I sincerely doubt it.

Thats what I mean by 'timeless'. MJ is an 80s phenomenon not a timeless one.

Im not anti-hip hop or R&B. Im a huge fan of Jay Z, Biggie, NWA as well as the groundbreaking groups like Sugarhill Gang and Whodini (though honestly not much of an R&B fan).

But again 'groundbreaking' doesnt mean 'timeless'. My fav band The Sweet, was the #1 band in the world for a while in the70s... some of their songs are STILL featured in movies today and people know the song but they dont know the band. That is what I propose will happen to MJ.

As far as who making music today will be timeless ? I dont think any of them. In fact I wonder if its even possible anymore with how fast trends change. U2, as much as I hate them, is probably the closest....but even they will be forgotten in 20+ yrs...at least IMHO.

And yes I know the AAF parody.

As far as Kanye...if we judge 'timeless' on a scale 1-10 I would say MJ gets to about 8. Kanye will rate a 4. Seriously, Im not a hater at all...but Kanye will only be remembered by his current audience. He will not cross over to the next generation of music listeners.

 

As someone who has lived through the 80's MJ era and has been involved in the music business (although in a different genre), I think he's a creative guy (Kanye), but he is in no way the iconic figure MJ was. I think Prince was more influential as he wrote a lot of songs that were also performed by other people and are still well-regarded.

I don't think he'll be remembered the same way MJ was. Even before my time, MJ was a part of the Jackson 5 which made him well known to an earlier generation. As a producer, I wouldn't even put him anywhere near the same plane as Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis or Babyface, either. Most people don't even know who they are 10 years after the fact, so how would anyone remember Kanye? Tough to say how history will remember Kayne West.

RMX