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Exclusive: Texas Man Rebuilds $1.5 Million Ferrari Enzo

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  1. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I broke my leg and had it fixed at Boston Medical. But I am sure they did a good job, because UCLA has a *great* medical center, even though I've never been there.



    Sounds kinda.... silly... doesn't it?
     
  2. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #127 Napolis, Jan 7, 2009
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    It's quite simple. All you do is take the data obtained by the method I cited from the final bench marked chassis (See Photo) and compare it to the data you get from performing the same test on the impacted chassis and in so doing determine whether or not a piece of structural carbon fiber has been damaged to the point of being unsafe.

    Nothing to it. ;)
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  3. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    How much did you have to pay that "crash test dummy"?? :)



    In all seriousness, the method you outlined is pretty cool.... so you can determine the extent of the damage, and also it's location within the panel. All without regard to being able (or not) to see anything visually. Pretty cool.
     
  4. redline76

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    In spite of your claimed education and experience, you've offered nothing of value in this thread, nor have you demonstrated that you have a clue of what you're talking about since every one of your posts references generalities. This lead me to believe you were merely a blowhard. Then I read the first part of your last post and concluded that your attempt to place yourself alongside someone much higher up on the FChat food chain reduced you to the level of a sycophant, all the worse since Napolis never outright refuted any of Joe's points, nor dismissed the Enzo repair.

    The final statement in the post however, confirmed what I had suspected from the beginning: You're a ****.

    I don't know why you have such a bone to pick with Matt or the repair of the car that his crew executed. You're clearly not in the market for this car, or any other Enzo for that matter, so why the hate? Do you think potential Enzo buyers are reading this thread and are thankfully put off by your brilliant analysis of the repair? Have you even seen the car? Do you know what steps Matt's team took to effect the repair?
     
  5. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    :)
     
  6. ojbj

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    Redline, I am very flattered. Thanks.
     
  7. redline76

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    Cheers,
     
  8. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Google is your friend.
     
  9. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thank you.

    Spot on.
     
  10. HighSpeedLowDrag

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    By "professional" opinion, I should have stated that I slept at a Holiday Inn last night.

    Were I more computer literate, I would have added two smileys. One after the previous sentence and one after the test drive offer to Matt.

    FWIW- I have no engineering degree. I do however have an '04 ZO6 that has 20K plus performance upgrades. 600HP at the rear wheels on the dyno sheet. I drive it like a little old lady going to church. Why? Because wrecking it or driving too hard will only cost me more $$$. I have a paltry 65K in my car. If I had an Enzo I would drive it even more cautiously.



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    If you need an Enzo to drive at the absolute limits, this may not be the car for you.

    If you want an Enzo to drive fast and look like a million, this may be the car for you.

    Mark

    What background in engineering and structural carbon fiber parts for supercars are the above comments based on?


    Note the use of the word "may". It is used in both sentences.




    My whole point in adding something (or nothing?) to this discussion is that this forum has some of most knowledgable car guys on the planet contributing. It sure seems that it has become very popular to jump on Matt and tell him why his price is too high, why his repair of this car doesn't meet certain standards, why people shouldn't even consider buying the car.

    Is this fair to Matt? Being "in the business" I know what it takes to take a pile of crap and somehow turn it into a shinning star. Some haven't even given Matt the benefit of a doubt. Automatically-it's not fixed right, overpriced, and not certified.



    Just sayin'

    Mark
     
  11. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #136 Napolis, Jan 7, 2009
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    That's a nice car you have. The new one is a Monster. Cosmetically I think Matt did a very nice job. I also know that if Enzo's have mechanical issues the cost to repair them can be very high. I think determining if the tub suffered damage is
    something a potential buyer may want to know. Matt may have addressed all the mechanical issues I brought up and may have had a qualified composite person determine the state of the tub. As he's not responded to direct questions about the mechanical condition of the systems I mentioned, or whether or not, and if so how, he determined if the tub is fine I feel those are open legitimate questions that have a direct bearing on the Value of this car.

    Rob is right in saying that part of the problem is the state of the market. Mid January we'll see what a 400+ mile Enzo brings at Gooding. (The one with the new clutch, which is something I personally would look into as I got 4K on my clutch 1500 miles of which were hard track miles that included the Historic Targa Florio.)

    The Market is the Market. It's bigger than all of us and it's efficient in the long run. The idea that expressed thoughts is "Hating" is silly. Que Sera, Sera.
     
  12. Teenferrarifan

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    Could the car have been driven 400 miles backward? That would have worn out the clutch. On a serious note, the work done to the enzo in this thread is pretty impressive none the less.
    Erik
     
  13. Napolis

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    Erik

    That is no joke. Putting it off and on a trailer can do it as well.

    Best
     
  14. Aedo

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    Thanks Napolis!
     
  15. RufMD

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  16. joe sackey

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    Nobody is laughing it off.

    What we are saying is the the Ferrari dealer network in the USA has some locations that have composite specialists who are are competent enough to determine stress or fatigue. Some of those centers also run race teams using cars with CF tubs. All fact.

    BTW, are you fully aware of the history of what caused the Kroymann's F1 car to disintegrate??? Do you personally know if that car's tub was MODIFIED with a spacer to accommodate the driver? Id find out the answers to those questions before posting it in any relevance to Matt's Enzo.

    Once again, Ive no affiliation with Matt or his Enzo, but I see a clear injustice in the insinuations of many of the posts here...
     
  17. ojbj

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    ROFL. That should sell above market...it's got tons of extra legroom!
     
  18. ojbj

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    Aren't you the one who posted "Oh puhleez" earlier?

    Lol. You are grasping at straws.
     
  19. ojbj

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    #144 ojbj, Jan 7, 2009
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    I wasn't, either.
    I posted earlier, agreeing that this would be an appropriate channel to validate the repairs.
    Great.
    It's great that these resources exist, but Matt has not confirmed that he has used them to verify the integrity of the cf tub. The car could be perfect. Or it may not be. We simply don't know. That's all I have said, along with others. You and your vulgar sidekick seem to have a real problem with people saying this, but there is nothing unjust about it.
     
  20. RufMD

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    If YOU were fully aware of the history before smarting off, you would know that the Kroymans car was NOT modified and NOT involved in any prior incident. It was not the Shumacher Chassis 192 that had been involved in a prior shunt, but Chassis 193. In fact, the car was immediately shipped back to the factory for detailed inspection and all F399 were ordered to undergo similar inspections. Ross Brawn (who I hold in much higher esteem than yourself) commented at the time ;

    This was in Autosport Magazine:

    Ferrari is investigating why one of it’s F399 chassis tore in half during an accident in a historic race at Laguna Seca in the United States. Technical director Ross Brawn said: “We have got the car back at the factory and we are looking at it. Although it’s the same model as the one Michael had his accident in [at Silverstone in 1999], it’s a very different sort of accident. In michael’s he had a front impact and the wheel came back into the cockpit and that’s what broke his leg. With this one – as far as I understand – the car went backwards into a barrier and the wheel became stuck in the barrier as the car spun around it, putting a tensile load on the car.”

    In fact, if you do a little research, some comments to the same are on this very site, by people who again, are held in much higher esteem :)

    "Originally Posted by Admiral Thrawn


    Here are the facts:

    The car is an original unmodified Ferrari F399 chassis from 1999, with the serial number 193. It is not the chassis that Schumacher crashed at Silverstone in 1999, which was #192, and was retired after that accident.

    The safety tub does have a construction point in the place where Kroymans' car broke. It has been there since the original design in 1999, and all Formula 1 cars since either 1997 or 1998 have it. The construction technique hasn't changed.

    The section where Kroymans' chassis split is not suppposed to break under any circumstances. It was designed that way, and the fact that it did is why Ferrari are shocked and are conducting an investigation.

    Here is what we don't know:

    Why did the car split at this bonded construction point, when it was clearly designed and expected not to?

    Will this accident have implications for all other F1 cars with the same design?"



    The car broke at a join which was not supposed to fail.


    As for insinuations ? Coming from you this is deliciously ironic :)
     
  21. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I pulled an "Oh Please" as it relates to the general notion that this Enzo has to be shipped back to Ferrari in Italy to be repaired.

    My advice to any USA-based person who is thinking of purchasing a product made in Europe that can only be properly repaired by sending it back to Europe is straightforward: dont buy it. Fortunately, contrary to what some would have you believe, the Enzo is not such a product.
     
  22. joe sackey

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    Totally inconclusive with no conclusions drawn by Brawn or anyone else. I have in good authority this car was modified.
     
  23. RufMD

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    Totally inconclusive....Even if true, this statement lends credence to the argument at hand....modifications from non factory trained sources can lead to failures.

    I knew you would come around Joe :)
     
  24. ojbj

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    #149 ojbj, Jan 7, 2009
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    Oooh, completely outsmarted yourself there, didn't you, Joe? LOL!

    Mr. Sackey, consider yourself well and truly Pwn3d (by your own logic).
     
  25. ojbj

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    Could you be so kind as to go back and find the post which mentions the car should be shipped back to Italy for testing? Nobody has said that. The only point made was that proper evaluation of the damage and testing of the repairs needs to be done to make sure the car is 100%. Whether the factory does it, or someone equally competent, does it, is not the point. Simply, it needs to be done before anyone can say it's as good as when it left the factory.

    If the knowledge and training extend beyond the factory, fantastic. It means additional parties can carry out this evaluation and testing. Hopefully it will be closer, take less time, and cost less.
     

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