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So.Ca 0117S a barn find by M.MASSINI 2006

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  1. Christian.Fr

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    #76 Christian.Fr, Feb 10, 2009
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  2. smartteen

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    #77 smartteen, Feb 10, 2009
    My authorized pictures were reached,thank you very much Christian to post for me.
     
  3. mouliney

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    #78 mouliney, Feb 10, 2009
    Bad news !

    04/06/1950 Coppa della Toscana Cornacchia/Del carlo 166 MM N° 1217 2nd 0026M
    16/07/1950 Coppa d'oro delle Dolomite Cornacchia 212 Export N°142 3nd 0092E
    05/08/1950 Giro della Calabria Cornacchia/Del carlo 166 MM 2nd Probably 0026M
    10/03/1951 Coppa d'oro della sicilia Cornacchia 166 MM N° 92 5th 0004M
    01/04/1951 Giro di Sicilia Cornacchia-? 195 Inter N°353 - DNF Probably 083S
    15/04/1951 Coppa Inter Europa Cornacchia 195 Inter N° 104 DNF 083S
    15/03/1952 Coches de Sport Buenos aires Menditeguy 195 Inter N°33 0071S
     
  4. Aardy

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    #79 Aardy, Feb 10, 2009
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    0092E is a 1951 212 Export Vignale Coupe. # 142 is a 1950 195 S Touring barchetta, so...
     
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    #80 mouliney, Feb 10, 2009

    You're right of course 1950/07/16 Cornacchia 0038M
     
  6. Aardy

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    #81 Aardy, Feb 10, 2009
    agree...
     
  7. smartteen

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    #82 smartteen, Feb 10, 2009
    THANK YOU FOR THESE INFORMATIONS.
     
  8. smartteen

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    #83 smartteen, Feb 10, 2009
    MOULINEY, you can find this 2 results on "Racing sport cars" and on "barchetta.cc" :
    05/08/1950 Giro della Calabria Cornacchia/Del carlo 195 S 2nd 083S
    15/04/1951 Coppa Inter Europa Cornacchia 195 Inter N° 104 DNF 083S

    01/04/1951 Giro di Sicilia Cornacchia-? 195 Inter N°353 - DNF Probably 083S ???
     
  9. mouliney

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    #84 mouliney, Feb 12, 2009
    Nobody's perfect........
     
  10. smartteen

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    #85 smartteen, Feb 12, 2009
    Please can you see also,the FERRARI by VIGNALE by Marcel Massini page 82/83
    about 083S ; "19/03/1952 Raced at buenos aires 17 october-race,race N°33 " ( see Road and Track 8-1952 page 37)

    errare humanum est ! to make a mistake is human !
     
  11. Boudewijn

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    #86 Boudewijn, Feb 12, 2009
    Guy, could you also have a look at Ferrari Argentina pages 46 thru 50. As a coincidence in Argentina 0071S's engine cylinder capacity was enlarged to 2300cc whereby the engine was more like a 195 than a 166 engine. There is now no doubt the car was 071S. The book of Marcel dates from 1993 whereas the Ferrari Argentina book was printed 15 years later. The foreword in the Argentina book is done by Marcel himself making complements to the authors for their painstakingly Ferrari research in Argentina for many years. So I think beyond reasonable doubt Menditeguy drove 0071S and not 0083S.
     
  12. smartteen

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    #87 smartteen, Feb 12, 2009
    Ok ,I take notice of this.
    Thank you.
     
  13. Cris Bertschi

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    #88 Cris Bertschi, Feb 12, 2009
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    No doubt at all Menditeguy drove 0071S.
    I have paperwork for that car, and is currently owned by a friend of mine.
    Thanks Boudewijn for your words on our book.
    Regards.
    Cris.-
     
  14. smartteen

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    #89 smartteen, Feb 15, 2009
    Cris,if you wrote this book ,have you also 083S race paperwork ???
    Is this 083S Car mentioned in the book ?
    Many thanks.
    Guy
     
  15. smartteen

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    #90 smartteen, Feb 18, 2009
    Today is Glory day !!!
    I have received my 083S engine,the 0117S restoration continue.
     
  16. f308jack

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    #91 f308jack, Feb 18, 2009
    Congratulations!
     
  17. smartteen

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    #92 smartteen, Feb 19, 2009
    Many thanks Jack.
     
  18. tongascrew

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    #93 tongascrew, Feb 19, 2009
    HI I have a large file going on this car since its discovery. It would be great to have some pictures of this engine and the process of installing it in 0117.More info on the clutch,gearbox, and drive shaft being used would also be nice. Thanks. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  19. smartteen

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    #94 smartteen, Feb 19, 2009
    I have taken this morning no less twenty photos but unfortunately my credit photo to FC is finish,I cannot post other pics.
    I am asking to me when I will found a Gearbox if I place 083S in 0117S or if I conserve the 250 GTE in 0117S , my decision is not still take.
    What do you think about this,what do you do ?
     
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    #95 tongascrew, Feb 20, 2009
    Interesting situation.I would first contact the Ferrari Classiche program. If you have the $$$ or Euros they may be able to fabricate the correct box for 083. You can try Ton Shaughnessy or Glickenhaus[?] [Napolis on Ferrarichat} who know a lot about the mechanics of these cars and will have good advice on all aspects of these early cars.If all else fails my thought would be to put the 250 package in the car so you can drive it and keep 083.I am sure 083 probably needs some restoration/rebuilding which will be money well spent and you can continue the search for the right box and other original type parts to go with 083 which can be installed later or just kept on the side as part of the overall package of the car. I am also sure Marcel Massini whould have some good ideas. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
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    #96 tongascrew, Feb 20, 2009
    Also if you could mail copies of your pictures that would be very nice. If so let me know at [email protected] and I will e-mail you my address. Thanks tongascrew
     
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    #97 f308jack, Feb 21, 2009
    Would they actually do that without the 'core' of the original gearbox being present? Are they really making copies of parts and number them, risking that there may be, in this case, 2 gearboxes with matching external numbers on them? (Even if one would have a Classiche stamping on it as well) The number on that box would be, in such a case, a worthless accessoire.

    If the above applies, there are also other parties able to manufacture a gearbox, presumably much more cost-effective than Classiche.

    I'd wait it out until a suitable gearbox pops up somewhere, or even just a bell-housing and gearbox casing; a needle in a haystack, but so was the engine.
     
  23. etienne

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  24. smartteen

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    #99 smartteen, Feb 21, 2009
    Merci beaucoup Etienne d'avoir bien voulu poster ces photos ici .
     
  25. smartteen

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    #100 smartteen, Feb 21, 2009
    Jack,we are all right,I think also waiting a period Gearbox,and yes it is a needle in a haystack but the engine was also difficult to find,I can hope !
     
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